Discogs ; my experience.

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by Strat-Mangler, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    Discogs says that they are considered a Japanese merchant in their email to you.

    In your relationship with Discogs you are a consumer i.e Discogs provides you with a service which they charge you for. You are also based in Japan. Hence, the merchant (Discogs) is charging you (the consumer) sales tax of 8% on their fees.

    When you sell to a buyer, you become the merchant and what and when to charge your consumers (aka buyers) is up to you to sort out. Discogs is only charging sales tax on what they are obligated to do. Your obligation is between you and the tax authorities in Japan.

    At least that how I read their email:
     
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  2. Sprague Dawley

    Sprague Dawley Active Member

    Location:
    Sapporo, Japan
    Got it. Thankx Eddiel. Now I'm wondering how the taxman found me. Please don't tell me it's becuase I idiotically entered my location as "Japan" even though that's an optional setting...


    ... easy, I remove it and pencil in "China" or some ****. The f***n Caymans...
     
  3. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    :agree: Exactly, if this happening with Japan I'm curious if Discogs plans on this with every country demanding sales tax in the future. Complete nonsense if it's a used item. They've already received their tax.
     
  4. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    That's not what's happening. Discogs is only charging sales tax on their fees to the sellers and not on the actual items being sold. EBay Canada started doing the same thing this year. I believe Discogs has started doing this in other jurisdictions where they were asked to do so. I can't recall where though.

    As for no tax on used items...that must be a BC Provincial PST rule as I always get charged GST or HST on used lps or cds.
     
  5. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    The taxman didn't find you. The taxman found Discogs and told Discogs to charge sales tax on their fees to anyone they do business with in Japan.
    Of course the taxman might still find you!

    You can change your location to China but it probably won't make any difference if Discogs knows you actually located in Japan :)
     
  6. andrewskyDE

    andrewskyDE Forum Gangsta

    Previously I only ordered 3 items on Discogs and didn't have any problems. Also, the three sellers I encountered there had 100% ratings.
     
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  7. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

    No, for Canada on both physical media and audio components there is "supposed to be" a 5% harmonized sales tax for us all on the purchase price. Usually up to around $150-$200 and they let it slide because they can't afford the extra labour it would take to collect every dime.
     
  8. Malcolm Crowne

    Malcolm Crowne Active Member

    Location:
    Portland OR
    I'm lp's only and use Discogs on the regular, starting this past summer or so:

    One seller never responded, after the paypal cleared that is, and I clicked the "report problem" link and the upshot was the seller got suspended -- so, I take that as a "plus" for Discogs basically.

    Another seller sent me a later pressing of a Van Morrison record ( I was ordering the old green label you know) and I told him and he reversed the payment immediately. I thought the record sounded pretty great anyway -- all of those do, I learned here on this forum -- so I wrote him saying hey how about I send you a check for what that version seemed to be going for. A pretty genial exchange, really.

    Another seller or two sending what seemed to be too-crackly records stated as "VG+" but hey those're the breaks.

    Another seller waiting around and finally responding with "sorry, actually we can't find that record in our store after all" and refunding. Stuff happens.

    And yes, a couple here and there who don't actually send the verified deadwax version of the listing, but some of those listings have variants there and subsequent pressings so there is a little fudge room in the Discogs system. I've never exchanged my demands with a seller prior to handing the money over so maybe for true collector purposes that is necessary.

    Mostly I'm satisfied but I have well-managed expectations for some reason.

    Where I live the record stores are so much worse, condition-wise, and too high priced so I'm still sticking with on-line for the most part. Nothing beats an impulse-purchase in a shop though (which explains my copy of Veedon Fleece that looked clean but actually has been thrashed to within an inch of it's life and was $20...)
     
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  9. GentleSenator

    GentleSenator Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    c'mon they're not *that* bad around here.... just stay outta downtown.
     
  10. YpsiGypsy

    YpsiGypsy Forum Resident

    Location:
    Michigan, USA
    I ordered the 1987 "Imagine" by John Lennon CD number CDP 7 46641 2 and I received the 2000 CD number CDP 7243 5 24858 2 6 instead.
     
  11. Raunchnroll

    Raunchnroll Forum Resident

    Location:
    Seattle
    Wow I have had a very different experience with stores there. A veritable gold mine despite the popularity (and creeping dearth) of good records.
     
  12. Malcolm Crowne

    Malcolm Crowne Active Member

    Location:
    Portland OR
    Well portland-wise that's 2 against 1 here, heh heh -- I'm not above admitting, gladly, that I'm a lousy cratedigger in actual fact, and as a new record collector I haven't yet developed the skills and patience for a real session in a store. So take my comments as descriptive only of my own somewhat superficial approach. I need to work a little harder in some of these places and haven't been to them all to be honest.
     
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  13. GentleSenator

    GentleSenator Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    you will be rewarded. i always am.
     
  14. hatfield

    hatfield Member

    Location:
    Wilton, CT, USA
    Just recently got back into buying vinyl. I held on to my collection from the 70's and 80's and resisted all attempts from my wife to get rid of them to make room for other things. My first purchase on discogs for used vinyl was Physical Graffiti. Loaned it out years ago and never got it back. Wanted my original US Press back. Bought from a seller with a 100% rating from over 700 buyers. Vinyl listed as NM. Artwork VG+. One side has a big scratch across it with very noticeable clicks. There are a number of other scratches across the other three sides but this one is by far the worst. One of the inner sleeves was ripped more than halfway down the side. The album almost fell out of the sleeve when I took it out.
    I'm not going to post the sellers name anywhere. I'm not looking to make a big deal about it. I just realize that my very first experience with buying used vinyl was an absolute bust, even from a seller with a 100% rating. I absolutely do not feel like dealing with this kind of frustration and disappointment again. My used vinyl shopping has come to a quick end. If this is what discogs considers to be NM vinyl, there is one bright spot in the story. I already have a vinyl collection that I now realize consists of mostly Mint vinyl that I did my best to take good care of over the years. I think I'll stick to new vinyl unless I can actually see it before I buy it.
     
  15. GentleSenator

    GentleSenator Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR

    sorry to hear about your poor experience with this particular seller, but it's a little hyperbolic to infer that this is "what discogs considers to be NM vinyl". it isn't. they have rules and policies. sellers are expected to abide by them and nowhere in your story do i see anything about your effort to rectify with them. it's the same as if amazon sent you the wrong item in your order. you'd want to have them fix their mistake.

    if the seller does not fix their mistake, paypal will help and so will discogs. most sellers would want to keep that 100% feedback, however.
     
  16. monte4

    monte4 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Ontario Canada
    I am currently awaiting my second purchase from Discogs. I joined a month ago and purchased Cat Stevens Catch Bull At Four a first U.K. issue from a Canadian seller (buying from anyone in the U.S. is cost prohibitive with exchange and shipping). LP came and it is NM as advertised. I'm happy. Current purchase that I'm waiting for is 5 of the core 7 Moody Blues. All are supposed NM. and are 1'st and early 2'nd UK issues from another Canadian seller. (Sadly now hearing of Ray Thomas passing.) Should get them tomorrow or Tuesday. I have several issues of these already but not any UK's.
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2018

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