Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Dave, Apr 17, 2003.
If so, what's your opinions on the sound quality between the 2?
I did own them at one time. I thought the MoFi discs were a bit dull.
Two of the most disappointing Mofis that I have owned.
Hmmm, not the general sound quality opinons, but rather the differences between the 2 is more what I'm after. Thx
Wow, that's what I think about the regular disc of Pyromania. I have not heard the MoFi disc.
I have both Mofi's... and both CD's sound very compressed, but apparently it's Def Leppard's "wall of sound". No audiophile highlights.
I didn't find them very appealing sound wise either. Wail till they get reamstered.
Well, when you hear the MoFi discs, the old ones will sound brighter!
Hey, the reason the Def Leppard CDs sound as they do is because "Mutt" Lange used a harmonizer on everything. The many tracks were layered very thick. Yes, it was a planned "wall of sound". Lange is a perfectionist who would spend hours or days on a single piece of music until it was where he wanted it. He put the Leppard through hell, but it all paid off!
You are right Grant.
IMHO The differences between the 2 are that Pyromania is more distorted and slightly in your face with a slightly narrower soundstage and Hysteria is a bit better and has more of a commercial sound with a slightly easier on the ears more defined mix. But in all reality I think that perhaps Steve is the only one that could bring some justice to this bands work.
I have Pyromania and agree, it is very poor sounding. I never heard the standard cd though.
Do you know who's re-doing them
All the best - Andrew
C'mon Dave, why don't you try remastering it yourself? Download a 30 day trial version of Cool Edit and give it a shot. What do you have to lose? Yes, it is time consuming, and there is a big learning curve, but it is very rewarding. Based on the number of your posts, I KNOW you have the time
If you wait for Steve to do this album, you may be waiting forever. I have done remasters of some of my favorite albums (which may never be remastered by anyone) and I am thrilled with the results. It's a great hobby, and a natural for anyone heavily into hifi and mastering.
Well Dob, from what I can tell, not that I'm any kind of expert in mastering, is that to do what I would do with the sound would be pointless without having the master tapes as it would involve some remixing as well.
Surely you've heard some of the stuff that has been done by amateurs, with home PCs and amateur software, and with no access to the master tape? Some of it is astonishingly good - much better than the official "pro" version in many cases. Many posters have commented on this phenomenon and done their own remastering as well. There's no reason why most of the forum members can't do the same. The interest in good mastering is there, otherwise they wouldn't be here!
I'm surprised by your mention of remixing, though...after bringing up Steve's name, I figured you were interested in a remaster, not a remix. Do you think that Steve would do a remix?
The shocker is that he produced AC/DC's two biggest records and then he developed some form of disease that forced him to over-produce everything! Not to turn this into a Mutt Lange thread, but he has to be the most successful producer ever:
Def Leppard - High N Dry (worth a couple million)
Def Leppard - Pyromania (about 10+ million in the US)
Def Leppard - Hysteria (10+ million in the US)
Shania Twain - Come On Over (about 17 million+ in the US, I lost track at this point)
AC/DC - Back in Black (over 20 million in the US at this point)
AC/DC - Highway To Hell (about 6 million in the US I think)
The Cars - Heartbeat City (a couple million)
Foreigner - 4 (probably a couple million)
He has also done records/songs for Michael Bolton, Bryan Adams, Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, the Corrs (their big hit was produced by him) and more....
As far as the Def Lep MFSL stuff, I have Pyromania and I don't think it really sounds much better. That record always sounded very cold and "digital" because of all the primitive electronic drum triggers they used (yes, I know it was before Rick lost his arm, but they still sounded like triggers and drum machines). I don't have Hysteria, but I have been looking for it. Now that I hear that it isn't much better, I may cease my search. I always thought that it would sound stellar due to it's very lush production (Mutt Lange seemed to get a handle on the electronics on this one).
No, actually I haven't yet, only albums that are clones. Vinyl drops are nice though. Hysteria I might be able to do something with, after about a years worth of experience, but Pyromania is better left to someone who could remix and remaster, like Steve.
I believe that if Steve ever had the opportunity to do the remaster of Pyromania he would want to remix it, but then again he may be able to do something because the masters don't really sound like what we've become accustomed to.
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