Does Anyone Re-Align Their Cart for 7" 45 rpm Play?

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  1. EdogawaRampo

    EdogawaRampo Senior Member Thread Starter

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  2. Shak Cohen

    Shak Cohen Forum Resident

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    No!
     
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  3. tables_turning

    tables_turning In The Groove

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  4. elvisizer

    elvisizer Forum Resident

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    dear lord no, that's a bridge too far for me
     
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  5. Trashman

    Trashman Forum Resident

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    That would be a "no" for me, even though I play lots of 45s. I do have cartridges that will often swap out for 45 playing, using conical styli to go easy on styrene singles. I stick with the same alignment, however.
     
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  6. ghost rider

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    Big hell no for me.
     
  7. Gibsonian

    Gibsonian Forum Resident

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    No freaking way
     
  8. vinylontubes

    vinylontubes Forum Resident

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    No. I guess you'd use Stevenson if you did though. Don't even own one of those protractors.
     
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  10. luckybaer

    luckybaer Thinks The Devil actually beat Johnny

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    Absolutely. My TT has detachable headshell, so I have one headshell/cartridge aligned for 33 1/3 rpm and one for 45 rpm. It is so simple!

    Just kidding. I never gave it a thought until reading this thread. And, I’ll never give it another thought again.
     
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  11. harby

    harby Forum Resident

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    It is actually challenging to set the alignment optimally for the program area of a 7" single. Setting Stevenson or Baerwald alignment so both nodes are within the start and end radius (the same as they would be for an LP) requires about 15mm more overhang -- a headshell with slots 3/4" longer, or a longer tonearm.

    If operating a jukebox that only plays singles, or a small portable player that can't play 12" discs, I can see it being useful to align to minimize inner groove distortion.
     
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  12. cmcintyre

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    That's exactly my intention and the reason why I purchased a Pioneer PLX 1000 (easily removable headshell, perfect speed, and good reviews). Will have this set up as a second turntable.

    Here's a thread I started earlier this year in the search for an appropriate headshell:

    Headshell for dedicated 7" cartridge alignment ??

    and I raised this idea here as well:
    One TT w/2 arms or dedicated TT for mono?

    Having a dedicated 7" alignment means very low tracking distortion (much less than for a 12" record on any of the standard alignments).
    Haven't done it yet, but it's on the list for 2019.

    This is quite true - it's more challenging to align and requires longer slots (on a standard tonearm). Possibly it also needs to skewed in the headshell - my initial investigations suggest this is an option, though a smaller overhang and less offset than the headshell.
     
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  13. SoundDoctor

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    Nope. Too much work for not much gain.
     
  14. cmcintyre

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    What is "enough benefit" to make the work worthwhile will vary from person to person, but to be clear the reduction in tracking error is very large:

    (from the quoted article)

    "By customizing your setup for the narrow playing band of a 7-inch records, you can reduce the average angular error between the stylus tip and the record groove by a factor of more than 6 to 1, and the maximum error by a factor of almost 9 to 1.

    Using a 7 inch alignment tool to set up your turntable for 7 inch records will bring a dramatic improvement in the tracking quality and accuracy of playback from your 45 RPM collection."

    Six times less tracking error, with maximum error reduced to about 1/9th of what it is before a specialised alignment.



    For a person with only a few 7" then probably not worth the trouble, for others with hundreds or thousands of 7" records, perhaps as important a record cleaning machine, especially if the track(s) are on a 7" only.

     
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  15. EdogawaRampo

    EdogawaRampo Senior Member Thread Starter

    Well, that's exactly why I posted. I have several hundred singles and using regular Baerwald for LPs they sound purty good, but I always felt like maybe I could get some more and when I came across the protractor for 45 alignment it sure piqued my interest...
     
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  16. doak

    doak Senior Member

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    I sure hope not. :sigh:
     
  17. Ghostworld

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    You've got to be kidding? Once I get that stuff straightened out, I'll forearm anyone who comes near my cartridge.
     
  18. 56GoldTop

    56GoldTop Forum Resident

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    With an SME sliding base, I might actually be crazy enough to try it.

    However, mostly use a linear tracker and that's the best I've ever heard my 7 inchers (45rpm or 33rpm).
     
  19. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line The Under Asst East Coast White Label Promo Man

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    What is your ratio of 45's to LP's?
     
  20. fluffskul

    fluffskul Would rather be at a concert

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    It is loudness wars polystyrene we are talking about right? No.
     
  21. cmcintyre

    cmcintyre Forum Resident

    Possibly you meant to ask,

    "What is your ratio of 7" records to 10" and 12" records?" Many 45s are 12".
     
  22. SoundDoctor

    SoundDoctor Forum Resident

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    Maybe 1:6.
     
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  24. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line The Under Asst East Coast White Label Promo Man

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    Possibly not.
    The Sound Doctor knew exactly what this old timer meant straight off the bat.
    (Definitely not worried about 10" n.o's)
     
  25. lightbulb

    lightbulb Not the Brightest of the Bunch

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    Simple solution is to just have 3 different turntables, each dedicated for 45rpm,
    33 1/3rpm, and 78rpm.
     
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