DCC Archive Does the Concepts box sound like its got noise reduction?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Matt, Dec 15, 2001.

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  1. Kevin Sypolt

    Kevin Sypolt Senior Member

    Location:
    Wilmington, NC
    re Patrick M's post: "You realize this is from the wrong master?"

    Yepper, but I wasn't a glimmer in my mother's eyes when it first came out, so I don't really care. I know about the added reverb, and all of that. I just like the sound. I know Steve could do it 100% better and more accurate. Until then, I will have to live with it... ;) Beats listening to the Concept's box.

    I've got DCC's Sinatra 57 live stuff on the way. Can't wait to hear that! :)

    [ December 28, 2001: Message edited by: Kevin Sypolt ]
     
  2. Claviusb

    Claviusb A Serious Man

    Einstein wrote:

    >I don't think that Bob Norberg is really into noise reduction. The problem is that you people write your comments before you actually LISTEN to the guy's work.

    I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from making sweeping generalizations when you're accusing "us people..." of making sweeping generalizations.

    >For a $15 investment, you can actually hear how good or bad Norberg's work was on the Concepts box.

    So, we give them our money-- which THEY WON'T GIVE BACK when we find that you have a tin ear and they sound like his other "work." The upsurge in sales encourages the record company to pay Norberg even more money to ruin more perfectly good music. You're brilliant, Einstein!

    >All of these polemics and pseudo-religous pronouncements from people who haven't even heard this material (interchanging Norberg with Peter Mew????) show what a hocus-pocus business this "audio review" stuff really is.

    Well, it's not hocus-pocus really. The material they churn out pretty much sounds the same... you know, like your posts... and after a while it doesn't even take an Einstein to figure out what to expect when you see somebody's name on a box... or topic for that matter...

    By the way Fred, has anybody mentioned to you that you're naked?

    [ December 28, 2001: Message edited by: claviusb ]
     
  3. Kevin Sypolt

    Kevin Sypolt Senior Member

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    re claviusb's message "So, we give them our money-- which THEY WON'T GIVE BACK..."
    Luckily, mine was only $5 at halfbrain.com :D
     
  4. Claviusb

    Claviusb A Serious Man

    Just to clarify, I felt it was unfair and a bit harsh to even joke that FJE has a tin ear, but some of the things he's written that clash not only with my experience but many others-- makes me wonder. There are ways to judge for one's self about remasters-- but buying them without hearing them is casting a vote that you can't go back on.

    Some of these guys come on here and imagine some sort of mass hypnosis going on-- like we're all bamboozled and they are the only lucid ones. Who's deluding themselves, I ask?

    FJE talks about people who like Steve Hoffman's work with the insulting inferrence of religous fanaticism-- and all I can think of is this guy is in dire need of a mirror. But maybe that's just me.

    [ December 28, 2001: Message edited by: claviusb ]
     
  5. Kevin Sypolt

    Kevin Sypolt Senior Member

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    Guide us Landrew, oh I mean Steve, tell us what to buy next, oh great master. I am not bambooozled... :D

    Yes, as Frederic states, "It's the music that matters." And that is WHY we are "fanatical" about Steve...
     
  6. Claviusb

    Claviusb A Serious Man

    Wait, Kevin! Don't give in yet! If we hold out they'll entice us with nymphs-- at least that's been my experience at the Norberg and Mew forums.
     
  7. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

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    Fredric J. Einstein,

    Have you ever heard Frank Sinatra done by Steve Hoffman?
    If you haven't I'd say go out and buy The Frank Sinatra "Duets" DCC Gold (2 cd set) and if you don't like it I'll personally buy it from you. In fact if it's not better, and you want to sell me the set, I'll throw in a an extra $5.00 for you as a gentlemans bet. ;)

    That's how confident I am after buying 61 DCC albums in the last year.

    Fredric, I'm just curious. What are you running for a system? :)
     
  8. feinstein

    feinstein Member

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  9. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

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    Fredric,
    At no time did I insult you!
    I simply try to get to know something about you so that I can evaluate whether or not to look into what you say about the Sinatra releases as I've never spoken with you before and you turn on me like a rabid dog, grouping me into a catagory for which I don't belong.
    Talk about hurting someone's feelings!!!
    But you know what Fredric? I personally think that everyone and I do mean everyone deserves a second chance.
    Besides didn't claviusb already apologize for being so harsh and say that the bottom line is you gotta decide for yourself.
    :D
     
  10. Speaking as a Hoffman fan of 16 years, I can safely say that the Concepts box is high quality remastering work, especially given the inconsistent work of Larry Walsh's Capitol CDs from 1987-91. Many of you are understandably quite skeptical of Bob Norberg's association with Sinatra's most recent Capitol remasters, given that, as Walsh's colleague at Capitol during the same period, his mastering work was just as spotty. However, having listened to 80% of the Concepts CDs, both stereo and mono recordings, I feel fairly confident in saying that, outside of Steve Hoffman's stellar work, this is the best Sinatra remastering job I've heard yet! :D
     
  11. Kevin Sypolt

    Kevin Sypolt Senior Member

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    Dear Fredric,

    Whoa Fred! At no time did I ever insult you... I went back and looked carefully through all of my responses, and I never once made any derogatory comment toward you. Now if you were Mr. Peter Mew, then I think I would be blushing right now! :) Anyway, I think differing opinions are what make this board so useful and enjoyable. I went so far as to try out a new CD that you recommended, just so that I could understand your perceptions of the music. The fact that I did not agree with you doesn't mean that I hate you, and never want to listen to anything that you have to say. I think if people tended to gang up on you, it might be because you come on so strong in your beliefs (I should talk, huh?) and your responses are sometimes preceived as somewhat aggressive. Anyway, I for one, would be very sad if you (or any member of this board) should choose to no longer participate just because you don't share the same views on every subject. Sorry if it seemed that way.

    Kevin
     
  12. Claviusb

    Claviusb A Serious Man

    You persist in insulting a point of view that differs from yours with your comment here... while pointing the finger of blame at poor Dave.

    > Now I see why martyrs etc throughout history have had such a difficult time.

    I agree with you 1000%, martyrs have had a very difficult time throughout history. There was that one martyr who died from a 25 hour orgasm, but he would be the exception I'd imagine.

    > The fools and bigots who are "in control" (ie: a majority) destroy a person's credibility, defame him/her, and then crucify a person because he/she has a different and perhaps even correct perspective.

    Wait a second, are you talking about your quote above or someone else's? Seriously, I judge Norberg, Mew and Hoffman on the sound of the recording on my system, not on your opinion. I'll decide for myself thank you.


    >Your cruel insults have hurt me very deeply and I am now leaving this forum. Your smart remarks will include "good riddance" etc,
    but you should be very sad that you've hurt another person over a difference of opinion about a HOBBY.

    For the record, the only person who seems strung out over this HOBBY is you. Save the drama for your mamma-- I apologize for hurting your feelings.

    > They just disagreed with your opinions that were not based on LISTENING, but on simply "going with the brand name" (ie: DCC is good, anything mass-market is bad).

    This is your perception-- and like many other of your perceptions, I don't agree.
     
  13. pauljones

    pauljones Forum Chef

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    I think most of the major labels are going to use noise reduction since it appears to be a "quicker" and more "cost efficient" way to master than to take painstaking time and care to optimize the performance. The major labels are more concerned with bottom line and release timetables than artistic integrity.
     
  14. Kevin Sypolt

    Kevin Sypolt Senior Member

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    Wilmington, NC
    re: claviusb wrote: "I agree with you 1000%, martyrs have had a very difficult time throughout history. There was that one martyr who died from a 25 hour orgasm, but he would be the exception I'd imagine."

    LOL! Man, I must have missed that one somewhere in the history book... Is that kinda like Sting's tantric sex or something? :D

    Oooops, sorry, now back to the real discussion... :cool:
     
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