Ever hear the voice of Bix Beiderbecke?

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  1. Steve Hoffman

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    In my jazz world there are two "BB's", Bix Beiderbecke and Bunny Berigan. Both died way too young, both redefined what jazz horn was supposed to be about.

    In the old days the beeswax disk that the music was recorded on had a test groove cut right before the "wax" was cut.

    Usually this test groove had the open studio microphone on it and sometimes you can hear a glimpse of the session musicians before the red recording light went on.

    In this case, you can hear "faintly" Bix talking. As to what he was saying, read the comments in the link. I think they are arguing about it still and you can read when you click:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnW8C8HeQs&feature=related

    It's a dreadful record but I believe this is the ONLY instance of Bix's voice being recorded. You'll hear the test groove right at the start. Repeated at a louder volume. Then the song.

    Bix Beiderbecke was the cornet player who pretty much invented a certain style of jazz. First there was Joe "King" Oliver, then his pupil Louis Armstrong, then this little white kid came along and stood up with the best of them. He died of drink related illness in 1931. The jazz world mourned.

    The above record is an example of what we jazz lovers and record collectors endure to hear any audible Bix playing his horn... :)


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    Below is one of my favorite Bix Involved records (with Hoagy as the "fair young maiden"). Bunch of white guys but Victor released it on the "RACE" series (38,000 series), Maybe 'cause Bubber from Ellington's orch. was there, probably the only sober dude besides Benny. Notice the instrument flub at the beginning and at a few places during the song? These guys party hardy but what a (future) star-studded record. Geez, the entire future swing era on this one record and this is the best they could come up with , heh.

    Hoagy Carmichael & His Orchestra - Barnacle Bill, The Sailor - Victor V-38139
    Hoagy Carmichael, v, dir: Bix Beiderbecke, c / Bubber Miley, t / Tommy Dorsey, tb / Benny Goodman, cl / as / Bud Freeman, ts / Joe Venuti, vn, v / Irving Brodsky, p, v / Eddie Lang, g / Harry Goodman, bb / Gene Krupa, d / Carson Robison, v. New York, May 21, 1930.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX3riCkf-_s&feature=related

    Listen for violinist Joe Venuti faintly in the background when he (in the chorus) sez: "Barnacle Bill The shi**head" instead of Sailor after the second vocal break...
     
  2. krlpuretone

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    Bix was a notorious crazy character, wasn't he?
     
  3. il pleut

    il pleut New Member

    this is on the mosaic bix/tram/tea set. i'm not sure how anyone knows whether that's bix talking or one of the other guys, or who is saying what, but it's cool.

    i don't think the record is dreadful at all. it's kind of average i suppose. i like a lot of the records bix was on, including those paul whiteman things that always get ragged on by the jazz purists. there's a lot of interesting, creative musical things happening in those records besides the bix and tram parts. they're basically just 20s pop music and like any pop music have their high and low points.

    it's hard to get a handle on just what kind of person bix was. alcoholic, certainly, but he seems to have been pretty intelligent if a little naive. he seemed to inspire legends and stories because he died so young and became a bit of a mystery, and sorting out the truth from the exaggerations and just plain made up stuff seems almost impossible. it's very rare to find anything negative written about him as a person. of course, as a musician he was incredible. there's something in his playing that reaches through the years and really touches my heart, a kind of sadness or melancholy i guess you could say.
     
  4. The Future of Swing for sure, but it took Benny buying Fletcher Henderson and his arrangements to get them over the hump, IMHO.
     
  5. Steve Hoffman

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    Yeah, I recommend "A STUDY IN FRUSTRATION-Fletcher Henderson" LP Box set on Columbia.

    Henderson was THE person who was really responsible for the start of the swing era. But don't get me started..
     



  6. got it on cd, will look around for the lp box set.

    thanks for the postings you put up periodically on these first generation jazz masters, lest we forget.
     
  7. kt66brooklyn

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    The chances of Bubber being sober for this date are VERY slim. It's a fun record which reminds me of old cartoon shorts. Not too long ago, these old Bix records were cheap to pick up.

    Oh, and aren't there some Broadway Bellhops takes with Bix among the singers? I'll have to look it up.
     
  8. pool_of_tears

    pool_of_tears Searching For Simplicity

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    Bix...right from my area, Davenport!
     
  9. kt66brooklyn

    kt66brooklyn Senior Member

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    I think that Henderson's car accident in 1928 was one of the biggest turning points in all of music. Before then, he had everything!
     
  10. wildroot indigo

    wildroot indigo Forum Resident

    I've liked this record for quite a while: classic novelty song with hard-swinging instrumental sections. Bix, Bubber, and Benny...? Complete insanity! I agree with your estimation of Bix, and equally esteem Bubber: one of my favorite musicians, co-wrote Duke's breakthrough tunes and largely set the style for the early band. Also appreciate the raw, early Goodman solo here (the rhythm section really brings it to life)... Freeman's tenor solo top notch as well.

    :thumbsup:
     
  11. jpm-boston

    jpm-boston Forum Resident

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    You're not a fan of Bob Brookmeyer?
     
  12. dale 88

    dale 88 Errand Boy for Rhythm

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    Great sound from the Twenties. I think I first heard this on some vinyl of Bix. Besides the sound and the energy of the performance, I love it as an example of the humor that could be put to music in those years. It also shows the use of the jazzed-up choruses that were popular then -- hear more examples in many of the Boswell Sisters sides, often with some of the same players.
     
  13. 1878

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    Must track some of this down. Bix was the first jazz music I can consciously recall, thanks to the Beiderbecke Affair trilogy, a UK comedy series from the 80s with a cracking soundtrack: linky
     
  14. Lonson

    Lonson I'm in the kitchen with the Tombstone Blues

    There are many ways to check out Bix, but if you really haven't any and you want to get some of the best from Bix and two other jazz masters (and many more, the two others are just the other two leaders in the title), this is an excellent document as far as notation, mastering and material:

    http://www.mosaicrecords.com/prodinfo.asp?number=211-MD-CD
     
  15. il pleut

    il pleut New Member

    also the best sound quality i've ever heard on this material.
     
  16. Steve Hoffman

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    Well, compared to SINGIN' THE BLUES, it's pretty below. Doesn't mean I don't like it. Ever hear FELIX THE CAT? Such an over arranged disaster. Still has vintage Bix on it.

    SINGIN' THE BLUES:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86bO53-gpFs&feature=related

    Bix, Eddie Lang and my favorite old-time jazz saxophone player, Frankie Trumbauer. His C Melody Sax sound was the inspiration for all that came after.
     
  17. mr_mjb1960

    mr_mjb1960 I'm a Tarrytowner 'Til I die!

    Bix's "Barnacle Bill The Sailor" was on the old 12" "RCA's Encylopedia Of Jazz" Lp series issued in the '50's..I'd actually had that..it was "Cleaned Up" from what I'd heard on it...the word "S---Head" was changed to "Sailor"..was this a different take,or was this the first Edit ever made by RCA? I wonder!
     
  18. mr_mjb1960

    mr_mjb1960 I'm a Tarrytowner 'Til I die!

    Like Berigan, Beiderbecke died of acute Pneumonia too young..the added fact they also played Trumpet too is a similar factoid between them..and equally creepy,too.
     
  19. If I want to buy some Bix Beiderdecke on CD, what would be a recommended source for good transfers?
     
  20. GroovinGarrett

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    I was thinking the same thing.

    I have a few Victor 78's, but they are later recuts that look like this:

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  21. How about this compilation?
     

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  22. This one looked interesting. Anybody heard it already?

    http://www.retrospective-records.co.uk/cgi-bin/retro_build.pl?filename=RTS4154.txt

    From the website:

    Launched in October with 25 releases this new label is managed by veteran nostalgia specialist Ray Crick, who is tasked with sourcing the highest quality transfers, plus detailed biographies and informative notes for the booklets. "I am delighted to be involved with RETROSPECTIVE because it gives me the chance to create CD programmes that will bring alive the finest recordings by those wonderful vintage entertainers of yesteryear, both popular and jazz, for people to enjoy here and now. We will be adding new releases every month and will deliver you the finest performers from the music hall to jugbands to rock ā€˜nā€™ roll! We hope you will enjoy these wonderful recordings alongside detailed booklet notes and the iconic series design, making RETROSPECTIVE a highly collectable range."
     

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  23. Steve Hoffman

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    Please note, I have NO experience with Bix on CD. Just the precious 78 RPM originals and some French Victor "Black & White" series LP's.

    Bix recorded mainly (in bands) for the Victor Talking Machine Co. Later, when he joined Whiteman, they switched to Columbia in the middle of 1927 (or was it '28?)

    Bix's solo and small group stuff was on Okeh, mainly.

    In the past, if you wanted to hear the best Bix you had to get more than one source, a Columbia source and an RCA source. Now that everything is PD in Europe, who knows?

    I think the best thing to do is type in BIX at YouTube and see what you like. The Jean Goldkette and Paul Whiteman bigger band stuff is my favorite, Bix' "day job" records. I love the old dance bands of the 1920's and when you find Bix in the band you also will have Frank Trumbauer and Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang. Like old home week. It's like having a dance band that Jimi Hendrix was in or something when Bix comes in. He was so far above 'em all that it's like a BLUE NOTE record for his 20 seconds and then goes back to 1929 after his solo. Love the stuff!

    Beware serious compression, echo and noise reduction----and this is on the old LP transfers! God knows what they did to the CD versions. John RT is to be trusted but his sources are always less than optimal.

    What is worse? A good transfer from a noisy old 78 by John or a totally No-Noised and compressed transfer from a clean metal part? I'll take JOHN any day.
     
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  24. GroovinGarrett

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    Doing a bit of quick research, the extensive "Bix Restored" discs, remastered by the late John R.T. Davies, appear to get a lot of love. They're definitely thorough.

    Columbia released four volumes of Bix during their purple-border Jazz Masterpieces 1980's-90's era, beware of overcooked NR.

    There's also The Complete OKeh/Brunswick Bix, Trumbauer & Teagarden Mosaic set that looks interesting.
     
  25. That Mosaic box is just too much and too pricey for me.

    Also, the "Bix Restored" series is very pricey as well.

    There is the Bix & Tram box set on JSP which gets a lot of good reviews, I might get that one.
     
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