Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by alphanguy, Jan 29, 2016.
Yesterday was never a Beatle fav of mine.
Now i'm getting off the main topic, but I suggest you listen to the "The In Crowd" album. It's excellent! Chess was a strange label. The album was issued under the Chess and Argo labels.
Sorry people! Back to the top 10 singles.
I have no memory of hearing the song in the 60s. It wasn't until 1981 when I finally heard it. Very nice song, but i'm sick of hearing it.
Like you, the song came into focus when I finally heard the proper mono mix. The stereo guys, and those who concentrate on lyrics and performance, don't understand how hearing the mono mix makes a difference, but it does.
Never was more than lukewarm on "Yesterday". Brilliant, but awfully depressing.
That Brian Epstein was able to ensure that it was not released as a Paul McCartney solo single is quite possibly the best example of what a great manager he was. That could easily have led to the group splintering years earlier than it did.
I wonder how many covers of the song are out there. I remember hearing a female pop singer doing "Something" but I don't recollect the same sort of MOR treatment given to "Yesterday" by the likes of Dinah Shore or the Captain & Tenille.
I didn't care too much for Yesterday at the time, and I find cover versions on too many other records, but I'm more sentimental now.
Since You Tube won't play the records, have to get out HELP! and give it a listen today!
In response to the comments about "Fingertips - Part Two," I've noticed there is a slight bias in this thread towards heavily-orchestrated pop productions.
I love "Fingertips - Part Two" because it it Is NOT a pop production. It's a loose live performance recorded in an old vaudeville house on the South Side of Chicago. When Little Stevie Wonder asks the crowd to say yeah, they sound like they're going to tear the damn building down. Then there's that sloppy false ending where Stevie doesn't quite get that it's over, even after the closing theme. So the band starts playing it AGAIN. And did I mention that it rocks? In an era of precious girl groups and the Four Seasons, a raw blast of R&B like this shoots like a cannonball. Not hating on this 'cause there's nothing TO hate. Rock on, Stevie!
Oh, I dunno. I agree with you on the rawness of the song, even if some reverb or echo was added to it. If you listen to some of the remixes that were done about fifteen years ago, you would hear that the song was recorded dry.
I always saw that this forum skews toward minimalist pop/rock, not heavily orchestrated music. But, indeed, it does favor rock over all else, which is a shame, but it's gettin' better all the time. Can't get no worse! Right now, we have a Jackson 5/Jacksons thread, a Janet Jackson thread, two hip-hop/rap threads, and one devoted to soul/R&B/funk. That has never happened on this forum before, having that much all at the same time! And there have been no threadcraps on them. The Madonna thread started out rocky, but it's smooth as silk now.
I suspect that, like me, you grew up on R&B/soul music. Where have you been all my life, man? I don't meet many fans of our music anymore.
Anyway, this is off topic. We will be talking about more soul music in 1969, and especially starting in late 1972. So, stay tuned. What I do wonder about is how much the participation will drop once we get into the 70s. Again, i'm thinking that a lot of people thought this thread would turn to rock once The Beatles and Rolling Stones (anyone remember them?) started charting #1 hits. But, we are going to see more great pop songs. That's great for me. I grew up on pop music as well.
Interesting. Gene Chandler's "Rainbow '65" was recorded at the same place and has echo for days. I assumed the Regal (Chicago's answer to the Apollo) was just naturally cavernous...but then again B.B. King also recorded a live album there, too, and it sounds relatively "dry," as you say.
Oh, I didn't mean the forum as a whole. I'm talking about this specific thread. I've noticed the early Beatles tracks, to name a specific example, are damned with faint praise, but the minute they start showing some kind of sophistication, then people start raving. Or how a Petula Clark song gets accolades, but the McCoys are viewed as "well, whatever." Not complaining, just commenting.
Yes, I did grow up with soul music, and still have a string love for it up through 1976. My first record was a Jackson Five LP, and I didn't start listening to much white music until I was nine years old, thanks to the oldies stations and reruns of the Monkees' TV series.
I'm guessing we might get a brand new crew when the styles start changing for good...
I attribute that to the engineer's style. At RCA in Los Angeles, Dave Hassinger had a reverberant sound, such as the songs he cut with The Rolling Stones, The Electric Prunes, and The Jefferson Airplane.
I dunno. Everyone here has different tastes. That's what makes threads like this fun. No one really likes threads where every post is similar. Some of the panning may simply be due to familiarity breeding contempt. How many times have we heard "Hang On Sloopy", "Yesterday", or, even Petula Clark's "Downtown"? In addition to growing up when they were in constant rotation on hit radio, we had to endure them on oldies radio, too.
I heard my first "white" music when we moved out here to Arizona in 1965. After that, the only way we heard soul music was from records we bought at the PX, and at house parties. I just don't remember radio out here playing soul music until 1973. I'm sure someone could dig up and post an online KIKX playlist from 1966 and prove me wrong. But, I didn't hear it! I heard tons of pop/rock, though. When we watched American Bandstand, I heard a lot of pop music.
The first records I ever owned were pop records from 1967. Classic ones, too! One of them was a duplicate 45 of "Respect" by Aretha FRanklin that my sister had. My second album was a Jackson 5 album. But, the first was The Archies.
Man, we are hijacking this thread. I'd like to keep it about #1 Hot 100 records. But, a few months ago, someone started a similar thread for #1 Billboard R&B/Black/Soul records. The OP started it way back in the 40s and it got little enthusiasm because he started so early. The OP eventually got tied up with other things when we got to the early 60s. I would love to revive and take over the thread, but can't seem to find it with this lousy search engine. It would be the place to talk about the stuff that doesn't fit here. If there is someone who can locate that thread for us, i'd appreciate it!
I think this is it
thread title :
EVERY Billboard #1 rhythm & blues hit discussion thread
My man! Slap me five my brother!
Hey, where's the emoticon for a true high-five ?
To continue the convo since no one has been weighing in on the latest #1 song Yesterday since the beginning of this page, I grew up in Hawaii from the mid 50s and luckily for me, the few radio stations we had did a marvelous job of integrating their playlists. Virtually everything we've discussed since the start of this thread I heard on the airwaves at that time. Teen-pop, MOR, Soul, Rock & Roll, you name it I heard it. I'm quite amazed when people who grew up during this period say they have no memory of hearing a particular song until years later or they actually moved to another state. Soul was huge in the islands so early Motown, Shirelles, Sam Cooke, Ray Charles, The Platters, Ruby & The Romantics, the various Cameo/Parkway acts and on and on were all over the radio. It was a great time for anyone who was into popular music and all it's permutations. Okay, carry on.
It's been lost to the last few generations. I try that today and just get blank stares.
Gotta remember that not all areas of the U.S. were alike. A lot of places weren't very diverse in terms of population.
"Yesterday" was a hit single in the UK [#6 on the NME chart]
in Oct / Nov 1965
on the Parlophone label
accompaniment directed by George Martin
by Matt Monro
Interesting to hear about all the songwriters' various methods, and how songs come to them. Barry Gibb said years ago he learned to carry a mini tape recorder with him EVERYWHERE he went, and have one on the nightstand, too... as he said that many times songs would come to him in his sleep.
Surf Route 101... by Jan & Dean... 1963
It wasn't ONLY The Beatles.
The Beach Boys (Fun Fun Fun, I Get Around), The Four Seasons (Dawn, Ronnie, Rag Doll) and many others from the UK AND the US rocked the charts.
I can see why Yesterday is considered a good song but I've never been a fan.
Nos. 6-10 on the Billboard chart for Oct. 9 blow the top 5 away IMHO:
Catch Us If You Can
You've Got Your Troubles
Baby Don't Go
You Were On My Mind
Do You Believe in Magic
Then 11-20 feature Just a Little Bit Better, Some Enchanted Evening and Lovers' Concerto.
Lennon or McCartney stated the "Yeah, yeah, yeah" part was inspired by a Bobby Rydell hit !! "...We Got Love (Yeah, yeah, yeah), ain't it wonderful that We Got Love..."
Yes, THAT "Bobby..." The teen idol... A part of the many "Bobbys" that some music snobs on this board so hate.
"Yesterday" is a song whose greatness seems diminished by its ubiquity. We've all heard it so much over the last 52 years that it's more difficult to view objectively.
I think it's a prime song and it offers unusually strong McCartney lyrics. They're simple but impactful, with real emotional resonance...
True. Movies in the 1960s... bleh, particularly the early 60s. There's something "fake" or "unreal" about a lot of it.
I rate Love Me Do to early Beach Boys songs, like Surfin' Safari, Little Deuce Coupe, 409... Good songs, but not necessarily "great."
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