Flugelguy wnts to talk about Flugelhorn Players

Who are your favorite Flugelhorn players? Talent deserving wider recognition? My favorite TDWP is Demitri Mathany, he has four cds out , and I haven't heard his new one yet. Studied with Art Farmer. He has a real nice CD, "STARLIGHT CAFE" on the Monarch Label, which was recorded live in Berkley for KCSM to broadcast. Check it out!

 

Righto Ron. I have 'Red Reflections', 'Starlight Cafe' and 'Penumbra: Moon Sessions'. Very nice tone. I was not aware of the Farmer connection but come to think of it I can see the influence now.

Boy, Art Farmer was awesome, wasn't he? I love'Farmer's Market' from the classic days and the more modern 'Silk Road' on Arabesque. His work with The Jazztet was phenomenal...check out 'Here & Now' if you can find it...it's my favorite. Won't be easy or cheap though. It's one of those Verve Elites that are now OOP.

 

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Ron,

Not answering your question but I'd love to hear the history of the flugelhorn and how it differs from other members of the horn family.

John

 

Thanks for pic Kevin, I've seen that one before, but have not heard it.BTW this reminded me that we used to have a Blockbuster Music here in Modesto, and they had quite a large selection of Jazz and even a separate section for DCC, MOFI, and Mastersound. There were so many jazz titles I have never seen again, I could kick myself in the ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The short version of the difference between Flugel and Trumpet

John, the trumpet is cylindrical bore (that is the size of the tubing that the vibrating air travels through), on the other hand, the Flugelhorn is a conical bore. A cylindrical bore stays the same diameter throughout the whole horn til the bell. A conical bore starts smaller and gets bigger towards tho bell, gradually. The trumpet has a brighter, more piercing tone, whereas the flugel has a really mellow tone, and bigger sound. Both horns use the same exact fingering, so it is easy to play as a double.But again I have seen some trumpet players who cannot get a decent sound on a flugel. In my case I sound better on flugel than i do on trumpet. I just hear that sound in my head. Thanks for asking, Ron.

 

Thanks Ron,

I never knew that and now I'll never forget it.

I would venture to surmise based on your explanation that the more piercing tone of the trumpet can be explained by the air reaching the bell while it is still fully compressed, whereas in the flugelhorn, the air is gradually expanding along the way so that there is a milder release into the bell.This would result in a mellower tone. Of course, I could be way off here.

 

You're essentially right, but the bell sizes are different, the flugel being much larger thatn the trumpet bell.

 

Here's another: GUIDO BASSO. Magicalex, does that name ring a bell?

 

Ain't that the guy the bookie sends to break your legs when you don't pay your tab?

I think the first time I took notice of the fluegelhorn was Randy Brecker's nice little solo at the end of "Just One Smile" on the first BS&T album.

 

The Canadians should know Guido, but i would not expect Dave as he doesn't listen to much Jazz. Guido Basso is the flugelhorn soloist with the Rob McConnell Boss Brass, now the Rob McConnell Tenet. Is a wonderful soloist!

Yes randy Brecker is a decent flugel player, but he could play it a lot more than he does and I'd be happy!

 

I LOVE Rob McConnell and have nearly every CD he has ever put out!!


As for Flugelhorn players-- although he always played a little flat...I always enjoyed Chuck Mangione. "Hill Where The Lord Hides" is among my favorites!!

 

Do you have the TENET? I really like that one! Guido is one of my favorite flugel players. Has a style of his own. One note, and you can tell its him!

 

I have not heard of him but if you recommend his playing I will check him out. Thanks for the tip....

 

dough stole my selection. I have loved Chuck Mangione since the first time I heard Feels So Good and I think Maynard Fergusen is an awesome Trumpet or is it Coronet player.

 

Ron, what I'd like to know is: what's a flumpet? and what makes it different from the rest?

I read that Art Farmer prefered a flumpet in his later years....

Inquiring minds want to know!

 

Its made by David Monette in Oregon. He makes some of the greatest(and most expensive) Trumpets in the world. They are the horns that Wynton plays. A flumpet is a hybrid of a trumpet and a fligelhorn, uses both bore types conical and cylindrical.BTW, if you want to check out David Monette's horns, go to WWW.monette.net

 

Kevin, BTW, have you heard any of the other Monarch Jazz recordings? Dave Ellis, tenor player has two ouout monarch I them both, but the second one is the best."The Long Run". Some of the best younger Bay Area players play on them, like charlie Hunter. Pm me if you'd like to check them out.

 

Dmitri played on both of these....sounds good!

 

Oh, I forgot Monarch had an Art Farmer CD "LIVE AT THE STANDFORD JAZZ WORKSHOP". I have never heard it have you? I'm gonna try to find it and check it out!

 

I may have that one stashed around here somewhere...I look around and let you know...

 

A few other flugel players I will humbly recommend;

Miles Davis. I believe he only recorded with a flugel on a couple late '50s Columbia albums (Miles Ahead, Porgy and Bess, and Milestones) but his playing is exquisite.

Clark Terry - one of Miles' major influences and he still sounds great playing today in his '80s. Terry was probably one of the first jazz artists to record on the flugelhorn (with Duke Ellington in the early and mid '50s) and once again he probably influenced Miles in this regard. Terry has so much joy and humour in his playing that once you've heard him you can never mistake that sound for anyone else's.

Lastly would be Kenny Wheeler, the Canadian/English artist. Wheeler is just an amazing brass player/composer and a true artist in every sense. Unfortunately, he isn't recognized enough by the jazz-critics mafia. Wheeler records for lots of labels these days but you can't go wrong with any of the ECM albums he did in the '70s and '80s.

 

Any suggestion on Kenny Wheeler recordings? BTW, in my book, Clark Terry is THE "Mute Guy" on trumpet!