"Francis Albert Sinatra & Antônio Carlos Jobim" Reprise LP FS-1021 studio take numbers, etc.

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  1. Chris C

    Chris C Music was my first love and it will be my last!

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    Love it, get listening!!! I actually just picked up a promo 45 of "Change Partners" the other day, as I never knew that it existed before! I also have an import 45 RPM E.P. (extended play) on Reprise from this album, that has "Ipanema", "I Concentrate", "Baubles" and "How Insensitive" on it and a different 45 rpm Reprise Import of "Ipanema" and "Baubles", that has a home in my AMI Continental 2 jukebox!
     
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  2. Steve Hoffman

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    That's '69, isn't it?
     
  3. Steve Hoffman

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    Can someone please list all the versions of this on LP and CD? It's so darn confusing.
     
  4. Chris C

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    Thanks lukpac for posting these great photos! The Sinatra/Jobim album is my all-time favorite album and this thread is so GREAT!
     
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  5. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Thanks for the pics, @lukpac !

    I scanned my Canadian LP, which is a little lighter than the others. Here's what I got:
    JobimGUitarMic.jpg
    545 is a pretty reasonable guess, even just from that lame-o photo
    545.jpg
    FWIW, several years ago, I e-mailed Phill Sawyer, who worked at URCON and United/Western in the 1960s, and part of his e-mail reads: <<Howdy -[....]
    What I know for certain is that the United Recording remote gear, like both United and Western studios, had tons of 545 and 546 mics. >>
     
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  6. lukpac

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    Ok, same session. Hard to see for certain, but still seems to be a Shure 545.

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  7. Steve Hoffman

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    Si.

    I'm going to lose sleep tonight, I remember a photo of the guitar mic with gauze or foam wrapped carelessly around it, with some Scotch tape to hold it in place. Where the heck did I see that???? Right when I was working on the thing. Going to drive me bonkers. Gave that muffled guitar sound that I had to fix with some EQ and when I saw the pic I understood why.

    Maybe it was in the tape boxes or something? Can't remember, dang it.
     
  8. MLutthans

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    On CD, there are only three choices, no?
    •Original (1988. It's pretty good.)
    •EOTC remix (1998)
    •Concord disaster

    On LP:
    •Original mono -- fairly scarce
    •Original stereo

    I've also got a 1980s Japanese stereo LP that I've never played, and the new one that came out a few years ago that I've barely touched (not intentionally -- I just haven't spent time with it to speak of).

    IIRC, there's also a Brazilian (?) "Sinatra/Jobim" 2-LP set that includes the '69 sessions, as well, but I don't have that one.
     
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  9. Steve Hoffman

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    No, more, Kevin Gray did an LP reissue, etc.

    Why was Concord a disaster (you don't mean the French Concorde?)
     
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  10. lukpac

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    I believe Mark Linett has claimed the 545 was used all over Pet Sounds (recorded at Western) as well.

    The 546 of course had an integrated stand/shock mount.

    Certainly odd if the case. It's not as if an acoustic guitar creates any plosives to worry about. Heck, it was common to use a 545 (or equivalent) at the time for vocals without any sort of windscreen:

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  11. MLutthans

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    The "recent" LP I mentioned was the Kevin Gray one. Sorry I was not clear.

    From another thread, just in the last 24 hours (oddly), regarding that Concord CD:
     
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  12. Chris C

    Chris C Music was my first love and it will be my last!

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    Got it regarding "Something Stupid"!

    As for the outtakes/breakdowns, on "Drinking Again" they are all slated, except Take 6, with Takes 1, 3 and 6 complete takes and the others breakdown.

    On "How Insensitive" they are all slated, with Takes 2 and 7 completed and the others breakdown.

    On "Once I Loved", they are almost all slated, with Takes 4, 6, 8 and 10 all complete and the rest breakdown. Also of note: Take 3 is incorrectly slated as Take 2 again. The engineer seemed confused on the takes on this one, as he asked on a couple, which take this was.
     
  13. jhw59

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    so which cd version is the "suitcase" or is that different? My go to if anyone cares.
     
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  14. Chris C

    Chris C Music was my first love and it will be my last!

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  15. MarkusGermany

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    I like the EOTC.
     
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  16. MLutthans

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    As far as I know, it's the same as the original CD, but have never seriously compared the two.
     
  17. teag

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    Its a Kevin Grey and sounds great IMO.
     
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  18. Steve Hoffman

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    He was more confused when writing them down, that's for sure, I copied his mistakes!
     
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  19. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    No ad-lib burbling at the end on the KG LP. Just checked.
     
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  20. lukpac

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    Tangent, but:

    It looks like RCA called it a "low-gloss umber-gray", which was "intended for television use".

    http://www.coutant.org/rca77dx/77bsheet.pdf

    It's also called "Low Luster Gray Finish".
     
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  21. Steve Hoffman

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    God's microphone.​
     
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  22. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Well...Sarnoff's microphone, at least! ;)

    Quick and dirty comparison of the fade-out on Ipanema: https://app.box.com/s/kkc5252imc8cv0hpqaq3borz0hl05hu7

    You will hear clips in this order:
    •Original mono LP
    •Japanese 1980s stereo LP
    •Kevin Gray's stereo LP cut
    •1988 CD
    •1998 CD
    •Concord CD

    All clips start from the same point, but they don't all end the same way.
     
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  23. Steve Hoffman

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    Geez... Ching chings are remixes, last one sounds like it has some kind of Volumax on it or some such crap. Obviously no one paid any attention to the original mixes. The version I did (rejected) followed the original, fadered down promptly and channel miked down on all of the ad lib stuff... Just the way Lee did it (the first time).
     
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  24. lukpac

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    Also worth noting that the remixes are all longer than the original mixes. If Frank's vocal hadn't been mixed out, the ad libbing would have been just starting at the tail end of the original mixes.
     
  25. Arkoffs

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    Wow, that Concord really sounds futzed with on direct comparison.
     
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