Frank Zappa Song By Song Thread (1966-96)*

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Zoot Marimba, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. Fastnbulbous

    Fastnbulbous Doubleplus Ungood

    Location:
    Washington DC USA
    Uncle Meat isn't just my favorite Zappa album, it's probably my favorite album of all time. I can't hear the title theme without my brain hearing "fuzzy dice and bongos fuzzy diiiiice..."
     
  2. Aquastor

    Aquastor Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    But what about your Ship of Love???
     
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  3. Aquastor

    Aquastor Well-Known Member

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    San Francisco, CA
    Bought this at the recommendation of the original "red" trade paperback Rolling Stone Record Guide, and from the first moments I was mesmerized. I think I already owned and liked Overnite Sensation and Joe's Garage part I, but UM just blew me away, and from that point on I was a full-fledged Zappa fan. Right from the first track it sounded other-worldly, between the syncopation and weird time signature to the harpsichord and bizarro but definitely Southern Cal steeped lyrics, just pure sonic perfection. I was in auditory love. :D
     
  4. Psychedelic Good Trip

    Psychedelic Good Trip Beautiful Psychedelic Colors Everywhere

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    New York
    A beautifully produced masterpiece I had on this morning. On vinyl original or reissue this album is a trip 1967.
     
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  5. kendo

    kendo Forum Resident

    Uncle Meat in his lair...
    [​IMG]
     
  6. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

    Location:
    Chicago, IL, US
    I always wondered why "Uncle Meat" cut off in the middle of Bunk (I assume) playing the theme on the modified sax, but one of the outtakes on Meat Light shows that he played some wrong notes a few seconds after the edit.
     
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  7. Jeff W. Richman

    Jeff W. Richman The Richman Curse www.soundclick.com/qoquaq

    “Uncle Meat” is one of the Zappa songs my band from high school used to play.
    The album included the sheet music which made it a lot easier.

    It’s a march in 3/4 time, an idea similar to Ravel’s “Bolero”.

    There are a couple of interesting things about it.

    The first two phrases (from 0.00 to 0.16, and from 0.16 to 0.25)
    each exist over one chord.

    Yet those melodies are so strong, they almost create the illusion
    of chord changes.

    At 0.34, a simple four bar progression begins.

    And unless you're really paying attention, the theme at 0.43
    feels like it starts on the first bar, when it actually
    starts on the fourth bar.
     
  8. Jeff W. Richman

    Jeff W. Richman The Richman Curse www.soundclick.com/qoquaq

    Here’s some “Uncle Meat” trivia -

    The iconic first five notes (F# A E B B)
    can be heard in the 1960 sci-fi flick,
    “The Leech Woman”.

    It’s the scene when the main characters
    arrive in Africa.

    I don't know whether Zappa intentionally took the
    theme from that film.

    But we all know Frank loved low-budget monster movies,
    the cheaper the better…
     
  9. Psychedelic Good Trip

    Psychedelic Good Trip Beautiful Psychedelic Colors Everywhere

    Location:
    New York


    He sure did.
     
  10. Psychedelic Good Trip

    Psychedelic Good Trip Beautiful Psychedelic Colors Everywhere

    Location:
    New York
    Uncle Meat always sounded like a science fiction theme with the effects thrown in. Perhaps a salute to 1950's sci fi space movies. Great lead off tune for this epic well produced album.
     
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  11. Psychedelic Good Trip

    Psychedelic Good Trip Beautiful Psychedelic Colors Everywhere

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  12. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    Malaver
    Well, if we read the plot of the never made movie included in the booklet, it makes a lot of sense.
     
  13. Jazzmonkie

    Jazzmonkie Forum Resident

    Location:
    Tempe, AZ
    Now I'm going to have to watch "The Leech Woman" again which I have on DVD.
    [​IMG]
     
  14. kendo

    kendo Forum Resident

    "Meat Light" on now!

    "La-la-la-la-la-Wee-oo...." :D
     
  15. Psychedelic Good Trip

    Psychedelic Good Trip Beautiful Psychedelic Colors Everywhere

    Location:
    New York

    Always loved the Deadly Mantis.
     
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  16. Psychedelic Good Trip

    Psychedelic Good Trip Beautiful Psychedelic Colors Everywhere

    Location:
    New York
    I Will be getting the big Zappa discography book next week. Can't wait, The Big Note.
     
  17. Jazzmonkie

    Jazzmonkie Forum Resident

    Location:
    Tempe, AZ
    It's a great set!
     
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  18. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

    Location:
    Greater Boston, MA
    I first heard Zappa back in the mid-70s and dismissed him for quite a while. In 1984, a friend bought me a ticket to the early show at E.M. Loew's in Worcester. The show was wild but for some reason I still didn't get the bug. Then one extremely rainy Saturday night in March 2010, I marched into Newbury Comics and picked up a dozen Zappa CDs, among them Uncle Meat. It's probably among the most dense releases in his catalog, save for some of the classical material, but very rewarding as such. That horn in the main title theme, based on a perusal of the instrumentation list, is most likely Bunk Gardner on bassoon, although it sounds more like an oboe to my ears. Then again, a bassoon in its upper register is like an oboe in sheep's clothing, or something like that.

    The bassoon is a woodwind, and thus not a horn proper. The French horn is brass, saxes are brass, trumpets, 'bones too. But the English horn is a woodwind and also a horn, so they you have it. I guess if you blow into it, it's a horn, unless it's a harmonica.
     
  19. Zoot Marimba

    Zoot Marimba And I’m The Critic Of The Group Thread Starter

    Location:
    Savannah, Georgia
    Would love to hear your thoughts on every record so far!
     
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  20. Archtop

    Archtop Soft Dead Crimson Cow

    Location:
    Greater Boston, MA
    Well, I find pre-meat to be a tough slog (hence my initial post back in August). Uncle Meat is tough, but it's not a slog for me (Meat Light is even better). Of the first several albums, only Lumpy Gravy attracts me much and even then it's a bit absurdist at times for my liking. I think I'll stick to the '69-'76 period for the most part to avoid the rotten tomatoes, etc.
     
  21. MungoMusic

    MungoMusic Forum Resident

    Location:
    Virginia
    I never noticed before that the video begins with Frank adding additional direction to the ensemble while Peter Rundel is conducting (Frank had conducted the previous piece Overture himself). By the end of the Dog/Meat medley he was alone (!) offstage, as shown by the cut to him at the end. It's a detail I find interesting. It makes sense that he would scoot offstage since he wasn't conducting the majority of the show and, IMHO, it was a good, non-sentimental directorial choice not to show him leave the stage but to keep focus on the ensemble and conductor. Showing him at the end allows a viewer to stop thinking "where did Frank go?"
     
  22. Zoot Marimba

    Zoot Marimba And I’m The Critic Of The Group Thread Starter

    Location:
    Savannah, Georgia
    Here’s the European Tour Doc:
     
  23. mcchocchoc

    mcchocchoc Forum Resident

    Location:
    Oregon
    Frank mentioned UNCLE MEAT as one of his favorite compositions during a 1980 interview.... here's an excerpt...

    "G.W. Looking back throughout the years, do you have any favorite compositions?

    F.Z. Oh No is one of my favorites, also the theme from Lumpy Gravy. Another of my favorite songs is the Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbecue, and Uncle Meat is in there too. Some classics would be Brown Shoes Don't
    Make It
    , Dynamo Hum and Who are The Brain Police."

    Here's a link to the whole article/interview, it's short and good.

    1980-09 On The Record – Frank Zappa
     
  24. Zoot Marimba

    Zoot Marimba And I’m The Critic Of The Group Thread Starter

    Location:
    Savannah, Georgia
    Interesting that nearly all the ones he named were from the original group.
     
  25. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

    Location:
    Chicago, IL, US
    Here is another "FZ's favorites" quote from circa late 1981 with more 70's and early 80's stuff:

    1982-04 Frank Zappa
     

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