Genesis - early CD versions thread (Ver. 2)

I have a Nimbus (barcoded) and the track order is correct. Horizons is spelled Horizon's though, both on back sleeve and on the disc label.

 

No bar code (no UPC).

The track order mistake in the booklet was fixed for the "Compact Price" original I have, pressed at EMI Swindon (Mastering 1). Interestingly, the booklet for that issue says "Made In Japan."

Pictures coming up.

 

genesis foxtrot uk pressing unknown

 

genesis foxtrot uk matrix

 

Discogs has this release, with this matrix, though it says the booklet has four pages and no lyrics. My booklet has eight pages and all lyrics (with "Horizons" and "Supper's Ready" transposed).

 

Thanks Gardo - I stand corrected on the booklet error being sorted. To be honest I now only have the picture disc version of this release but I exchanged the booklet from my 1985 copy as the Pic disc booklet had that compact price banner on it - my original booklet also says Made in Japan in it.

I think the absence of a bar code suggests to me that your copy is from 1986.

 

Seems likely--thanks. As it turns out, my disc won't play correctly. There's static in the right channel that seems level-dependent. I'm guessing some kind of damage that goes past error-correction into interpolation, though apart from the slight bronze tone on the label side I haven't been able to see any obvious damage. I did find that I couldn't rip the disc using Foobar. I was able to rip using EAC, but the log revealed a lot of timing errors. I haven't listened to the rip yet to see if the static persists. All very strange.

 

I just checked my copy
It has the 8 page booklet with lyrics
And "made in Japan" in it.
But then on the back inside page in small print it says "made in Japan " and beside it says "manufactured in the U.K"

...What the duece?

The inner ring states "mastered by Nimbus" CASCD 1058
But there is no matrix number.
The front cover of the booklet has the "compact price" on it and the grey border.

Is this a boot?

 

nope

I guess the graphics weren't updated properly and kept the original manufacturing info. Compact price, cheap execution. Makes sense to me

Mine is like yours.

Nimbus didn't use complex matrix codes, only cat. number and small dots

 

Strange. My EMI Swindon "Compact Price" Foxtrot has the full booklet, but "Made in Japan" is on the inside front page (at the bottom of the page with band credits and copyright warning) and also on the inside back page (under multilingual explanation of SPARS codes).

 

Update: the level-dependent static is on the ripped .wav file as well. Clearly something wrong with the disc. I'll be returning it today.

 

Sorry to do this but maybe someone can help me out. A lot of pages to go through plus I looked online and could not find the answer.
I recently acquired a few early Genesis CDs. Nursery Cryme, Trespass, And The Word Was... So since I am not going to be keeping these (not my favorites from them) I need the correct info on Nursery but can't seem to find it. My haul is below:
And The Word Was Was... London West Germany by PDO 820 496-2 01 silver to center. Seems like the basic pressing?
Trespass Virgin Charisma CASCD 1020 Nimbus and has "This Compact Disc Not Digitally Recorded" in the multi-page booklet and on back inlay. Has UPC. Booklet says Made in UK, CD says nothing.
Nursery Cryme Virgin Charisma CASCD 1052 / B-2305 A has "This Compact Disc Not Digitally Recorded" in the multi-page booklet and on back inlay with NO UPC. No Place of manufacture anywhere, not on CD or booklet. Is this a UK Version?

Are any of the versions above something different sound wise than what is commonly found? Thanks.

Pat

 

So far as Nursery Cryme without a UPC on it this sounds like the copies on sale in either 1985 or 1986. I don't think I ever had the 1985 release of this (I had Foxtrot and still have Live).
It's odd that the discs nor booklet carry a country of manufacture though. The 1985 ones would be either Japanese or West German for UK retail but these always state this in my experience. UK made copies were pressed in 1986. I'll check my collection but I'm sure I don't have the early pressings of NC.

 

A bit off-topic:

For those of you in the Cincinnati area, Everybody's Records has the pre-DE picture disc set containing Trespass, Nursery Cryme, and Foxtrot for $25. Trespass's tray has broken teeth, but other than that, everything's in nice shape. I checked yesterday and the set is still there. If you live around here, pick it up!

 

My Foxtrot (no barcode) also list "Horizons" on both the disc and back of the case. Weird. I never noticed that before. And I've owned the bloody thing for about 30 years.

 

Was just listening to V/C Austria DADC picture disc of The Lamb, along with Japan 1991 third Press VJCP and early USA Atlantic fatboy. All share the same mastering it appears but the Japan set tries to fade out the hum between tracks when possible. and it also has a correct track index for "Broadway Melody" whereas the other two have it botched big time.

 

Earlier today, I found an old Lamb CD on the shelves of a second-hand records store. It's a 'mastered by Nimbus' version, two dots on both discs, made in the UK. I couldn't find it on Discogs (I could only find 6 dots and 3 dots mastered by Nimbus).

Do these DR values look familiar to you?

Code:

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Analyzed: Genesis / The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (1985 CGSCD-1)
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR12      -0.16 dB   -14.33 dB      4:48 01-The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
DR11      -1.35 dB   -16.39 dB      4:22 02-Fly on a Windshield
DR10     -18.39 dB   -32.19 dB      0:32 03-Broadway Melody of 1974
DR11      -4.05 dB   -18.81 dB      2:11 04-Cuckoo Cocoon
DR11       0.00 dB   -14.42 dB      8:14 05-In the Cage
DR12       0.00 dB   -16.02 dB      2:46 06-The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging
DR12       0.00 dB   -14.21 dB      5:44 07-Back in N.Y.C.
DR9       -4.08 dB   -17.86 dB      2:09 08-Hairless Heart
DR12       0.00 dB   -14.71 dB      3:42 09-Counting out Time
DR11       0.00 dB   -14.56 dB      5:14 10-Carpet Crawlers
DR13       0.00 dB   -17.09 dB      5:39 11-The Chamber of 32 Doors
DR11      -1.82 dB   -16.20 dB      2:45 01-Lilywhite Lilith
DR11      -2.53 dB   -18.68 dB      5:21 02-The Waiting Room
DR12      -3.73 dB   -19.34 dB      3:08 03-Anyway
DR12      -3.19 dB   -18.84 dB      2:59 04-Here Comes the Supernatural Anaesthetist
DR12      -3.30 dB   -20.07 dB      6:56 05-The Lamia
DR12      -6.38 dB   -25.22 dB      3:06 06-Silent Sorrow in Empty Boats
DR12      -1.99 dB   -18.51 dB      8:13 07-The Colony of Slippermen (The Arrival - A Visit to the Doktor - Raven)
DR11     -15.77 dB   -32.56 dB      2:04 08-Ravine
DR12      -2.15 dB   -17.29 dB      3:32 09-The Light Dies Down on Broadway
DR11      -1.51 dB   -16.10 dB      3:57 10-Riding the Scree
DR12      -1.62 dB   -19.34 dB      2:30 11-In the Rapids
DR11      -1.15 dB   -14.69 dB      4:13 12-It
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Number of tracks:  23
Official DR value: DR11

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           1411 kbps
Codec:             PCM

 

Your peak values match the first version listed on Page 1 of this thread.

 

You're right, thanks. I should have checked the peak values.
So, I suppose this V/C Nimbus 2 dots dates back to 1985? The booklet says made in the UK,; on the case instead there's an old price tag from South Africa, cool!

 

Early Nimbus pressings had "NIMBUS ENGLAND" in the matrix code. That changed to "MASTERED BY NIMBUS" (around 1986-1987).

 

Yesterday, I bought an Atlantic "Foxtrot" CD, made in the 80s. It sounds great !!!

 

That should be Zal's version.

Agreed, it makes for a nice alternative listen to the V/C Nimbus.

 

It was a lucky fortune...I ordered used UK CDs in a shop and got "Foxtrot" as US pressing - for 6 Euro in perfect condition
How sounds "Selling England", made in USA, compared to the UK Nimbus ?

 

I also like the layouts of the US CD versions much more. The UK ones look so bad with the cropped covers and the cheap layout...

 

yeah, I wonder how that cover-cropping could have been considered a good idea in the first place...