Giles Martin: Update the Beatles

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Guy Gadbois, May 18, 2017.

  1. DRM

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    Muffled sound?
     
  2. bherbert

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    What do you guys think of the Love album? I gave it a listen today and it doesn’t seem as loud as the remixes that have come after it. In fact, you can turn the volume up quite a bit and it still sounds dynamic and not fatiguing. If Giles remixed the catalogue in this way would you endorse it? His latest remixes have received quite a bit of criticism on this forum due to compression being used on them.
     
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  3. kiddo4

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    Bad tonality and "processed" sounding in general
     
  4. andrewskyDE

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    IMO the best remixes sound-wise are on the Yellow Submarine Songtrack, though those were not made by Giles.
    Just let him add not so much compression stuff and his remixes would be amazing.
     
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  5. schnitzerphilip

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    So play with your equalizer settings until you like it.

    This isn’t like a bottle of wine which is binary, either tastes great or doesn’t; you have the technology in your playback devices to compensate for a sound emanating from your speakers that displeases you.
     
  6. CoryS

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    Enlighten us, please. What equalizer setting that will undo compression?
     
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  7. schnitzerphilip

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    That’s not the right question. If one wants the uncompressed original recordings they are out there to be enjoyed.

    Regarding “tonality“ one can adjust equalizer settings so that what is coming out of the speakers sounds better in the environment one is listening in.
     
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  8. Kassonica

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    I really like the 2017 of pepper :)

    And yes I have and listen to the 67 UK Mono

    I have the 67 Australian Stereo as well which I never listen to
     
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  9. Onder

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    Processing involves compression as well, so it is valid question.
    You can't undo compression.

    Ondra
     
  10. The Ole' Rocker

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    There wasn’t even that much compression in the mix. It was pretty much like the old mono. If you want to listen to the old stereo, that’s completely fine. You have multiple masterings for that.
     
  11. DK Pete

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    I'm trying to think which tracks are common to both YSS and L O V E...Eleanor Rigby is one...I think the L O V E remix has all the great qualities of the YSS remix but it sounds richer and deeper on the former. Then there's AYNIL the original mix of which, I always hated. On YSS it has much cleaner separation and for the first time i was able to hear vocal harmonies that were buried in the original mix (like that very cool suspended seventh during the chorus). But again, more depth on the L O V E version. Any way you look at it though, Cobbin's remixes on YSS came about 10 years prior to Giles' for L O V E. YSS was the very first time we got honest to goodness remixes of an album's worth of Beatle songs..and I think he did an incredible job. In fact, I prefer his remixes of all the Pepper tracks to those on the 50th anniversary remix (and I say that as a fan of the 50th).
     
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  12. WonkyWilly

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    There is enough compression in Giles Martin's remixes that I can hear instruments pumping and swelling in and out of the stereo image. Sounds like amateurish crap. No listening environment or EQ adjustment can change it. The original mixes don't sound like that.
     
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  13. DK Pete

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    Much a fan of equalizers as I am (I can't live without mine), they can only adjust so much. While you can "play" with the right and left channels, you're affecting the "overall" as opposed to being able to zone in on specifics.
     
  14. telepicker97

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    <3
     
  15. telepicker97

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    Vinyl or digital?
     
  16. kiddo4

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    You can't "EQ" a signal that's been through heavy digital processing to the point that it sounds like a digital bubble. It's just not possible. You need a clean source.
     
  17. schnitzerphilip

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    Agreed, just saying that to the average listener equipment that costs less than $10,000 the compressed versions just sound more lively and punchy and we appreciate that. I listen to my music entirely on my premium car audio system and my premium headphones and modern mixes sound great to my ears, I'm hearing more detail and instrumentation off of the '09 Revolver or the '17 Pepper than I ever did off of the original vinyl's or '87s.

    My understanding of compression is that it makes the loud portions less-loud so that the quiet portions can become more-loud. And while that pushes everything closer together in the range a) the loud parts are still there and recognizable and b) the quiet portions are now pushed forward so it adds definition compared to the originals.

    My comment about EQ was related to your comment on inferior "tonality".
     

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