Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by frankb, Mar 6, 2017.
the Pilot says its 300 watts total.
I'm not familiar with that amp. Certainly it's not a tube amp at 300 watts. There is no need for a sensitive speaker with that kind of power.
16 wpc, or 32 wpc bridged to mono
what preamp will you be pairing the Pilot with?
If an X-100 is professionally restored, is in excellent cosmetic condition (preferable with the wood case), and retains good-testing vintage tubes (or NOS tubes), I can think of worse ways to spend $1000. I have both an X-100 and a 400. In terms of overall sound quality, I give the nod to the X-100 with its EL-84 output tubes (though tube configurations vary depending on the X-100 model one has... the X-100B uses 7686 output tubes if I remember correctly). If one doesn't need a radio tuner and just wants an amp for vinyl, CDs, etc, the X-100 might be a better choice over a receiver.
Hopefully the OP realizes that the Pilot amp (which he is now leaning towards) is just a power amp... and that he will need also need a preamp if he wants to control volume, tone, etc... and if he wants multiple sources for inputs (vinyl, CD, tape, iPod). Much of the tube "magic" occurs in the preamp, so unless the OP has a decent preamp setup already, I would steer towards an integrated setup like the Fisher X-100 or similar.
Yup, having owned both a restored 400 and restored EL84-powered X-100, the little X-100 was the one I kept. They are easier to service too, due to the much simpler circuitry.
Good luck! I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine.
Do you think 16w is enough to drive 95db speakers?
It should be fine.
By comparison, I use 85dB efficient speakers (KEF LS50's) with my 14 wpc Fisher, and it gets plenty loud in my small listening room.
With tube amps, efficiency does not matter as much as how easy it is to drive. By that I mean that the impedance curve and phase angle curves are benign. I heard a pair of the old LS3\5a BBC monitor speakers in a large room being driven by 18 watt amps and that was plenty enough for speakers with a low 80's efficiency. The fact that the nominal impedance is a very friendly 15 ohms had a lot to do with that. On the other hand, a Wilson speaker with a rated 96 db\watt efficiency turned out to be a very difficult speaker to match to even reasonably powerful tube amps.
those look kind of intriguing. Have you heard one?
I bought the GemTune..Its too easy to spend money the days!
Thought you sold a TUBE amp for 500 bucks.
got Acoustech Pl-980's to go with it. I hope I did good. :-/
If you got speakers with a reasonable sensitivity (90db and up) you could have a look at the Synthesis Nimis, 2x15W class A.
Got one myself and drive Wilson Watt Puppy (DIY) no problem. Got mine for €375.
If you shop around you can also find some NOS at about €699.
its set in stone. Im getting a gemtune gs-02 and Acoustech Pl-980's
I can see how this could become an obsession
Be sure to report back when you've had some time to listen to it!
I'm really liking my Bell/TRW stuff right now, not as high quality as Fisher or Scott, but good build quality, easy to work on, and sound great.
Just a few years ago they were always cheap and under the radar.
Shipping was always more than the cost of the units. Those days are gone. 500 bucks just doesn't go that far in the tube world these days it seems.
I'm going to refurbish my Scott 299-C maybe next winter. It's original, unmolested, and still 100% functional. I mothballed it since it's way overdue for service. It's awesome, and if that's what the Fishers sound like, I can see why they are so popular. If you come across a Scott unit for the right price, I highly recommend them.
I dont think you could go wrong with a Fisher amp that has been completley refurbished for safe operation.
It could never sound "bad", but maybe not exactly what youre looking for.
Honestly, sorry to be blunt, forget it. Cheap and Tubes are a match made in hell.
Move on or save up.
people like the akai m8 preamp and its dirt cheap. Maybe the real bargains are old reel to reels
Not 300 watts/channel RMS. 300 watts power consumption is believable. Realistically 20-30 watts per channel RMS, 20-20,000 Hertz, both channels driven, and less than 1 percent total harmonic distortion. That said, the tube era Pilot amplifiers and receivers were very good sounding and well built classics.
Yep, I own it
I like it quite a bit. Still using the stock tubes but plan on tube rolling soon.
I was going to recommend an Elekit DX-8200, but it looks like the price on those is closer to $750 nowadays.
I wonder who were the buyers of this tube amp?
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