Hi-end headphone amps - alternatives?

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  1. Doug Walton

    Doug Walton Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Hi - I'm currently evaluating a Benchmark HPA4 headphone amp.

    I like a lot. A LOT. I'm driving it via a Benchmark DAC3 HGC, and it sits in front of a Benchmark AHB2 power amp. Senn HD800S HPs complete that picture.

    But the HPA4 costs a LOT - $3K (at least that's a lot for me). That part I don't like. :) But the HPA4 has some pretty impressive performance numbers, and it delivers some amazing sound.

    I would love to hear some suggestions for higher-end headphone amp alternatives that you think I should be considering in the "up to $3K" price range - alternatives that you think would offer comparable performance/value compared to the HPA4. Balanced audio inputs/outputs are required, and I'd prefer a balanced headphone output as well. Remote control is a definite want as well. Not looking for tube amp solutions - I want to keep the audio chain as uncolored and clean as possible all the way to the AHB2 and speakers.

    Thanks for your thoughts.
     
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  2. displayname

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    I haven't personally used any of these, but I often see Audio-gd and the ifi iCan Pro in that $1k+ range. Not saying they are best, but generally well regarded.
     
  3. Black Elk

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  4. Robert C

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    Aren't those headphones outputs?

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  5. Doug Walton

    Doug Walton Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Yes. Yes they are.
     
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  6. Deuce66

    Deuce66 Senior Member

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    I own the original SPL Phonitor 2730B - flawless performance since day 1.

    Phonitor 2 – SPL

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  7. Robert C

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    What's wrong with them?
     
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  8. Doug Walton

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    Nothing.
     
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  9. rodentdog

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    I have an Audio GD Master 9 and like it very much. Do some homework on it, especially what Dr. Kevin Gilmore had to say. Built like a tank, about 30 lbs, doubles as a preamp.
     
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  12. Black Elk

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    I know, I'm just reinforcing Deuce66's suggestion.
     
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  13. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kind of fellow. Stax Sigma

    …..and I'll third that, as I use an original Phonitor to power the Beyerdynamic T1 Gen. 2 phones. Nice iron grip on the phones and beautiful and tank-like construction. I guess I was lucky to get it new for AUS$1000. There are plenty of models available without all the Phonitor's bells and whistles (the Auditor model).
     
  14. jpelg

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    Have you tried the balanced outputs* from the DAC3HGC? You can use dedicated balanced headphone cables, or just use some HOSA adapters to try it. It is different than the front headphone outputs. Depending on your gain setting the output impedance will vary (see manual), & thus the flavor may change a bit (although not so much with the high-impedance Sennheisers).

    *I think you are driving your speaker amp from those outputs, but if you decide you like it, you might be able to pick up a used DAC1 or DAC2 for use as a headphone amp.
     
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  15. Hipper

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    I have this too, with HD800 balanced. It does not have a remote though.

    Some amps feature crossfeed if you are interested in that. I tried it but quite frankly didn't notice any difference, both in what I heard and in fatigue levels.

    I'm also not sure if the balanced output aspect of a headphone amp offers anything. I was taken in by the concept but ultimately it just seems a way of increasing the power driving the headphones, so my guess is that a single jack plug with double the power will improve things just as much. It's so difficult to make a judgement because it involves changing cables etc..

    The headphone cable itself does make a difference too. I used one from Toxic cables originally but now use a Cardas Clear which was noticeably better (and more expensive!) - more clarity.

    If you enjoy the Benchmark so much I suggest you just accept the price and look at it as an investment.
     
  16. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kind of fellow. Stax Sigma

  17. Doug Walton

    Doug Walton Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    To wrap this up - I will be enthusiastically keeping the Benchmark HPA4. After about 10 days of frequent use and burn-in, I am quite in love with what it delivers via my Senn HD800S, and how well it integrates into the rest of the Benchmark stack.

    Game over.
     
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  18. murphythecat

    murphythecat https://www.last.fm/user/murphythecat

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    maybe try the iFi Pro Ican. love mine!
     
  19. Doug Walton

    Doug Walton Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    No - maybe not. I'm done shopping and evaluating for now. :)
     
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  20. murphythecat

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    enjoy!
     
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  21. molinari

    molinari Forum Resident

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    Enjoy it! Although I’m surprised that Benchmark is using a balanced output, I thought they only used 1/4”...
     
  22. PATB

    PATB Recovering Vinyl Junkie

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    This is a smart decision. Finding a headphone/amp pairing is not trivial -- you can try them at meets, but meets do not provide ideal conditions. And you can only try them for a limited time. This is not a matter of X amp has good reviews with Y headphone -- what if YOU don't like the combo? Many people in headphone land are in a merry go round trying to find the best headphone/amp combo -- and price/reviews don't mean much in my experience.

    You had the opportunity to audition the HPA4/HD800S combo for days in the comfort of your living room. And you liked it! Good decision biting the bullet and just pay the asking price.
     
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  23. jsr

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    congrats, it takes a lot of time and effort to make the final decision, now just sit back and enjoy
     
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  24. Ham Sandwich

    Ham Sandwich Senior Member

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    I've seen some favorable review/impressions of the Benchmark HPA4. I predict it's going to be a good amp for Benchmark for those who can afford/justify it. I hope to get to hear it at some point at a meet or get-together.

    The $2K+ price point is where headphone amps get interesting. It's the level where amps can be noticeably better than lesser cost amps. Some can be very noticeably better. It's a fun and interesting level of headphone amps and gear to explore because things can sound really much better. It's also the level where you can get different flavors and styles of sound that are all very good, but also noticeably different. It's also the level where you can get amps that do things like offer smoother sound while also having more micro-detail and nuance than lesser cost amps. With lesser cost amps smoother sound almost always means less micro-detail and nuance. Higher cost amps aren't constrained like that and follow different rules. The higher cost amps and source and gear will also spoil you. Sorry about your wallet.
     
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  25. Ham Sandwich

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    Especially since Benchmark put out a blog post titled Audio Myth - Balance Headphone Amplifiers Are Better arguing that balanced amps aren't necessarily better. But when you get into the higher cost amps where cost isn't as much of a constraint on design then the rules can change.
     
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