Interconnect Cables- Eating my Words

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by avanti1960, Jul 8, 2015.

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  1. Rolltide

    Rolltide Forum Resident

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    What's banal about "But measurements!" vs "Your brain doesn't work as well as mine!"? We're just now getting to the good part.
     
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  2. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    My system is very modest but also revealing and slightly forward / aggressive. My room is a little on the live side as well. Seems like the combination of revealing aggressive sound in a somewhat live room can be a prime candidate for a being helped along with good interconnects.
    Warm laid back systems in plush rooms might have a more difficult time hearing the differences?
     
  3. thegage

    thegage Forum Currency Nerd

    Funny, I have a couple of pairs of the Terminator 2 that I bought at least 15 years ago, and it's still a pretty good cable in a pinch.

    And yes, Grover is still making cables.

    John K.
     
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  4. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    don't think so, all new hardware.
    per another post, i'm betting that a revealing, slightly forward / aggressive sounding system in a live room is more apt to show of the differences cable can make.
     
  5. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I only find a need to change something when I hear anything fatiguing or objectionable coming from my speakers. I did hear some slight nastiness on occasion and needed to do something about it.

    If you don't hear anything objectionable coming from your system, consider yourself blessed!
     
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  6. jukes

    jukes Forum Resident

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    I have at hand a Wireworld Equinox pair for an acerbic high end cd-/dvd-player. High capacitance wire vs. the other, more normal, cables.
     
  7. jukes

    jukes Forum Resident

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    Listening fatigue is actually a serious matter, almost like a serious stress, I gather. It's just great if it can be avoided by swapping the cd-player interconnect.
     
  8. norman_frappe

    norman_frappe Forum Resident

    I have found the problem to be voltage overload. Cd players have ridiculously high output compared to most amps input sensitivity. An attenuator fixed all that for me.
     
  9. enjoithepanda

    enjoithepanda New Member

    Being an objectivist (not to ambiguate with cynic or skeptic), my own perception was put through the double blind rigor. I'd perceived a change in frequency response when using certain different interconnect cables, and the difference was not a unique event; with each pass, the results were repeatable. As far as the resolving capability/price/brand tier of the electronics, the changes in sound that took place between different cables was as noticeable on modest '80's separates/receivers as it was on my main separates.
     
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  10. jupiterboy

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    I think a big part of cables is managing gain and peaky frequency response from recordings and source gear.
     
  11. jukes

    jukes Forum Resident

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    Thanks! I'll keep that in my mind.
     
  12. gloomrider

    gloomrider Well-Known Member

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    Cables have no blinky lights. I like blinky lights.;)
     
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  13. enjoithepanda

    enjoithepanda New Member

    Bare in mind: In the case of a source CD paired with a preamp or integrated amplifier, there is an FR filter and potentiometer which reduce the input signal according to how loud the listener wishes to hear the music. This prevents overloading of the input. For most preamplifiers, overloading will occur at its output stage before its input, typically above 0dB attenuation.

    Overloading the aforementioned CD player is another situation, and that can occur when the signal clips the DAC, or when the load impedance is too low or reactive for the CD player's output stage to reproduce the signal magnitude.
     
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  14. Rockos

    Rockos Forum Resident

    I make my own interconnects. Use Mogami as the other poster mentioned shielded cable with whatever plugs/jacks I prefer. Much cheaper and I know what gauge wire was used and that it was soldered correctly. Costs are very minimal. I choose the size, etc. Not hard to do at all.
     
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  15. Tullman

    Tullman Senior Member

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    Yep, that is another good test for cables. Put em' in live with them for a while, then take them out and put the old cables back in.
     
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  16. malco49

    malco49 Forum Resident

    i have been a fan of the "lower end" audioquest cables for quite a while.i think they make a difference.
     
  17. Art K

    Art K Retired but not tired!

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    Golden ears are not required. What makes you think that folks who buy something other than basic cables aren't listening to the music? You have a lot erroneous assumptions going on here.
     
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  18. csgreene

    csgreene Forum Resident

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    Defensive much? Lighten up, Art. The problem some people here seem to have is rather thin skins.
     
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  19. Art K

    Art K Retired but not tired!

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    Nonsense. Not a bit defensive. Just telling it as I see it. Speaking of defensive....
     
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  20. rhubarb9999

    rhubarb9999 Forum Resident

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    Looks like my posts are getting deleted again. Fair and balanced ... sigh :(
     
  21. Steve Hoffman

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    Thread craps and troll posts will be deleted by moderators. If yours was one of those, it's gone.

    Let's not get this thread closed down again, please.
     
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  22. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    wasnt that a bowie tune?
     
  23. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    i think you are on to something. with the cheapo patch cable my fm tuner would bleed through and be heard through the speakers at zero volume position. new interconnects- totally silent.
     
  24. VinylRob

    VinylRob Forum Resident

    Let the flames of the nonbeliever consume them...

    Everything matters!

    The humble wire have a sound. Mains cable will surprise as well. Source first/Mains: the other source.
     
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  25. new world man

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    Source first to a point. Biggest influence in sound and change though? Speakers. You can achieve minimal/modest changes with cables (I lean towards minimal). You'll get more with turntable and cartridge changes, but it's the boxes where the sound comes out by a long way IMO.
     
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