Is there a bug in Lee Morgan's Candy ?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Michel Jazz, Jun 13, 2011.

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  1. Michel Jazz

    Michel Jazz Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Antwerp, Belgium
    A few months ago I bought myself a copy of Lee Morgan's 'Candy'. The original blue note's are rather expensive and thats why I bought me a Japanese King copy of the eighties. I had other Kings before who were great vinyls! But thats old news. I only know that this copy had a flaw in the pressings or sound mixing stages... On the first song I'm hearing a sort of wheelspinning from time to time or a noise that I can't recall... So a bug in this King record...
    This week I bought myself the Candy CD (The RVG edition) and what do you think.... again the same noise.... grrrr. I have a subscription on the MM 45rpm series but this album has yet to be delivered. Could anybody tell me what that noise is, and if Steve & his team solved that problem on the 45rpm reissue?!
    I am not a musician but I thought it could be a noise of an instrument handling, although I asked myself why RVG couldnt reduce the noise when recording...?
     
  2. JimSmiley

    JimSmiley Team Blue Note

    Likely, Art's squeaky hi hat...on the master tape.
     
  3. Michel Jazz

    Michel Jazz Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Antwerp, Belgium
    Nobody around then to lubricate the pedal or what ?
    Isn it disturbing or is it just me ?
     
  4. stuwee

    stuwee Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Tucson AZ
    A bump for you!

    You're a hoot Michel, I thought there was an actual insect pressed into the vinyl at the pressing plant :laugh:, laughing with you not at you buddy. Sorry I can't help out on this problem, thanks for the chuckle :righton:

    Craig
     
  5. DrJ

    DrJ Forum Resident

    Location:
    Davis, CA, USA
    Squeaky hi hat. Lots of vintage jazz recordings, Blue Note and otherwise, have this sound. Don't see why it's such a big deal personally but it drives some people nuts.
     
  6. noname74

    noname74 The Owls Are Not What They Seem.

    Location:
    Canada
    It bothers me too when I hear it...go listen to The Changling by The Doors if you want to hear more squeaks. I've never understood how sounds like that weren't caught by the engineer or the producer at the time.
     
  7. Maggie

    Maggie run james run

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    When I concentrate on the squeaky hi-hat pedal on this record it drives me batty. Loudest I've ever heard one.
     
  8. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

    Location:
    Hyannis Ma
    This is the perfect example, I was about to mention. Once you "find it" in the mix, you can't unhear it.
     
  9. Parkertown

    Parkertown The Art of Drumming

    Sorry guys...but Prestige and Blue Note never paid me squat! Can't afford oil...

    Drummers don't make diddly...
     
  10. Michel Jazz

    Michel Jazz Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Antwerp, Belgium
    Maybe they better did not used the hi-hat for that recording...

    Does anybody knows if Steve & Kevin add some oil to the hi-hat before pressing the 45rpm's issue....?
     
  11. DrJ

    DrJ Forum Resident

    Location:
    Davis, CA, USA
    No the noise is on the 45 rpm...it's on the tapes...no way to remove it without screwing up the music...I guess you guys only go to live shows where everyone and everything in the background is completely and utterly silent???
     
  12. Michel Jazz

    Michel Jazz Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Antwerp, Belgium
    And why do people (not me) buy 1000$ cartridges to play vinyl....?
    So you hear the squeaky hi-hat better ?

    It's a pitty but I find it too...
     
  13. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

    Location:
    Beaver Stadium
    Some people want to hear everything, warts and all.
     
  14. JA Fant

    JA Fant Forum Resident

    I want to hear everything, warts and all....
     
  15. action pact

    action pact ^^ Sandy Warner, "The Exotica Girl"

    Bass drum pedals often squeak too.

    This stuff was so common back then no one even noticed it or attempted to fix it!
     
  16. Kevin Bresnahan

    Kevin Bresnahan Well-Known Member

    Location:
    The Granite State
    That squeak drives me crazy too. Luckily, it's only on one track. The same thing happens to a lesser extent on one track of Kenny Drew's "Undercurrent" on Blue Note. There's an OJC CD out there that has an annoying squeak but I can't remember which one.
     
  17. ellingtonic

    ellingtonic Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Atlanta
    The problem with noticing something like that is that you notice it every time you hear the song/album. A surprising number of jazz albums have out of tune pianos...among other flaws.
     
  18. Parkertown

    Parkertown The Art of Drumming

    I just listened this morning and didn't hear it.

    Which track is it again...?
     
  19. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

    Location:
    Northeast
    If Steve and Kevin had a time machine I'm sure they could find better uses for it :winkgrin:
     
  20. nightenrock

    nightenrock Well-Known Member

    These squeaks never bother me. In fact I like hearing them.
     
  21. stuwee

    stuwee Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Tucson AZ
    :righton: Post of the week! :righton: I hear ya ! Barely enough for a beer or two :cheers:
     
  22. TonyF

    TonyF Member

    Location:
    St Louis
    Hey:

    I love the Hi Hat sqeaks on those old Blue Notes. Makes me feel
    like I'm there @ RVG's studio. Means your HiFi's HI Res...:)
     
  23. Michel Jazz

    Michel Jazz Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Antwerp, Belgium
    Side 1, First track
     
  24. Michel Jazz

    Michel Jazz Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Antwerp, Belgium
    On CD it starts somewhere in the beginning for a single squeak, but when you come @ 1:10 .. Jesus its like the playing basketball on old gym shoes :winkgrin:
     



  25. I will have to check this out on the new XRCD.
     
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