I’ve had to return 2 Blu-ray players in one week!!

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Vinny123, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    I can’t believe it. First I had to return a Sony X800 Blu-ray player due to intermittent loud digital hash on Blu-ray music discs. Now I have to return a Yamaha S681 for doing the same thing, only worse. I swapped out HDMI cables, checked out different discs, and even tried the Yamaha in a different system. They both exhibited this w almost every disc, and I tried about 15 different ones. What’s up w this? Bad luck or what? Now I’m playing these discs on an Oppo 83se w the same cables w zero issues. I bought these players wanting a backup to my aging Oppo. I’m glad Amazon has an easy return policy w free return shipping. I’m at my wits end. Maybe a Tascam pro player or the Cambridge audio player. What do you guys think? I really want a backup player that does Blu-ray, and SACD. What’s reliable out there? Thanks for letting me rant a bit.
     
  2. Synthfreek

    Synthfreek Please label the photos you post

    Location:
    Austin, TX
    What is digital hash and will it get me high?
     
  3. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    I wish. Just loud static like sound. A song will start and generally within a few minutes the audio cuts out and this loud static starts.
     
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  4. George Blair

    George Blair Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    It's a harsh buzz.
     
  5. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    Buzz kill.
     
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  6. pdxway

    pdxway Forum Resident

    Did you check if the new players were playing back DTS HD by default and your Oppo is playing back Dolby HD by default? As I recall, my 8 years old Onkyo receiver did not like DTS and I have experienced noise issue with DTS. Dolby works just fine. It could be your receiver....
     
  7. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    Everything is set up right, set to decode DTS Master. All displays indicate this. These discs will play fine for a few minutes and then I get this screeching static. If I advance to the next track, it will play ok for a few minutes and then back to the static.
     
  8. pdxway

    pdxway Forum Resident

    Hmm, is your TV 4K TV? Was the player connect to AVR first or TV first? Is your AVR 4k capable?

    As the audio is part of video stream via hdmi, I wonder if the difference was Oppo was outputting HD video and the Sony and Yamaha was outputting 4K video and thus somehow your receiver can't handle audio decoding via 4K stream.
     
  9. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    The first player was 4K, the second was not. The discs that this happened with are Blu-ray audio music, no video. Oddly, Blu-ray w video works ok, like w David Gilmour at Pompei. The malfunctions have occurred w an Essence hdmi DAC and with a receiver w the Essence out of the loop. It even happened w the players just connected by hdmi directly into a 4K tv w no receiver or DAC involved
     
  10. Classicrock

    Classicrock Forum Resident

    Location:
    South West, UK.
    It's either bad luck or 2 different players acting the same does point to some set up or compatibility issue.
     
  11. pdxway

    pdxway Forum Resident

    From https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-BD-S681-Blu-ray-Disc-Player/dp/B01HGYMEKQ, it looks like Yamaha can do 4K upscale.

    Interesting that you mentioned the issue only happens with music only disks.
    I guess when there is no video content, the player still needs to display the playback status and thus need to create its own 4K blank background with progress bar? May be those player just not good in doing its own 4k video with audio embedded.
     
  12. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
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    Why does my Oppo work ok then? It’s ten years old, no 4K.
     
  13. pdxway

    pdxway Forum Resident

    Not sure to whom you responded.

    Anyway, I think Oppo cares about music playback via hdmi and they make sure when the player create its own video stream, it is in a resolution that works well with audio.

    Both Sony and Yamaha might not really care about audio quality when the player has to create its own video stream when play back audio only disk.
     
  14. BIGGER Dave

    BIGGER Dave Forum Resident

    Two different brand players, with the same exact problem? I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that the problem would be with the players. Can you describe your signal path?

    * BD Player
    * Type Of Cable Connection
    * DAC
    * Type Of Cable Connection
    * Amp or Receiver
     
  15. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

    Location:
    NY
    Did this issue occur with the monitor turned on or turned off?
     
  16. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    Turned off
     
  17. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    The players are feeding via hdmi to an Essence hdmi DAC. From the DAC there’s an hdmi output going to my tv The DAC feeds an analog stereo signal to my preamp. Funny thing is the malfunction only happens on music only Blu-rays like Steve Wilson’s The Raven Who Would Not Sing. I’m kind of stumped
     
  18. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

    Location:
    NY
    That may be the reason why the audio cuts out. I have an older model monitor connected to my Oppo 203 and the monitor needs to be on for the audio to play, other wise it plays for a few seconds, and then stops. I can leave the monitor turned on and use the "Pure Audio" function on the Oppo which darkens the screen so that it looks like it is turned off, and the audio plays uninterrupted.
     
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  19. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    What about having the tv on a different source? Set up the disc and watch cable without sound while listening to Blu-ray
     
  20. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

    Location:
    NY
    I suppose that is possible, but there are others here with more knowledge than I about HDMI hand-shaking.
     
  21. Classicrock

    Classicrock Forum Resident

    Location:
    South West, UK.
    Is there any way of disabling video on the models you tried like the recent Oppo machines? (Pure Audio setting) They may have an audio only HDMI connection. If so were you using that? Obviously not easy to tell now if you returned them. Sometimes actually reading the manual reveals the problem.
     
  22. Vinny123

    Vinny123 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Florida
    Tried the pure audio to no avail.
     
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  23. Tartifless

    Tartifless Forum Resident

    Location:
    France
    Where does this come from ? I am not sure the player creates an empty video stream when playing pure-audio discs ...
     
  24. pdxway

    pdxway Forum Resident

    Haha, from my active imagination.

    My understanding about HDMi (from googling) is that there will be no audio if there is no video. Even when one is in pure audio mode, the player is still sending black screen at at certain resolution.
     
  25. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Sultan Of Snark

    Actually the "harsh buzz" is the Time-Warner/AT&T merger. And...it's getting louder...

    Hurry - gotta get something in the house that will play hard discs, before you have to hardwire your cable bill to your Visa card...
     

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