Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Vidiot, May 19, 2016.
Agree DC CR yes.
Sadly what followed a defiant no.
I'm probably one of the few that liked Spectre and Skyfall, I guess.
Even if indeed either were stinkers, there's no reason to stop the series. If the series can survive such duds as Moonraker, View to a kill, License to kill , The world is not enough and Die another Day, then Spectre is nothing. You just do a better movie next time.
They should have had a new Bond by now, producers chickened out trying to find him.
Bringing back Mr White didn't work, in my opinion, and they only did so because of the seriously wrongheaded decision to turn Craig's Bond tenure into a saga... White was originally killed by Bond at the end of Quantum of Solace, but that scene was sadly cut.
That new lore between Bond and Blofeld was the single worst creative decision in the entire franchise - I mean it - other than it's catastrophic stupidity (not to mention being lampooned by Austin Powers years before!), it had absolutely no dramatic weight whatsoever because the audience were never given nor shown reason for it to have any weight to begin with (even Bond himself shrugs nonchalantly when Bloferhauser gives his new name). As for the eye injury; Bloferhauser took a BOMB to the face days before and emerges with a mere facial scar which has already scabbed over... is he Wolverine in disguise? And when you refer to "dark/dungeon type of torture scenes", I'll refer you to the infamous one in Casino Royale for how a torture scene SHOULD be done in a film.
I gave it a chance, both at the cinema and on ancillary release... it still stank like a whorehouse at high noon no matter how many times I watched it. And this is coming from a HUGE Bond fan who found merit in every 007 film to date beforehand...
But we both agree in hoping Craig finishes his tenure on a high note and goes out with a bang... every other Bond actor left on a downbeat note with the least of their respective films as their last installment, let's hope EON bucks that trend for the next one and The Craig goes out like a champ.
Like shooting a helicopter out of the sky with a PPK?
We must have watched a different film perhaps?
Beautifully put !!
I personally think this is why Craig did not want to do another Bond film - he thought that one stank and was ashamed of it!
Yes let's cross our fingers that they get some decent ideas for a script and he can indeed go out with a bang.....and not a wimper......
I'm a white Caucasian Spanish guy and so I have no personal interest on this but I think it would be interesting and great to see a black James Bond and in this case I do agree Idris Elba is the guy.
Didn't Idris already take his name out of the running? I seem to remember him saying in an interview that he thought he'd be too old to play Bond beyond one movie.
Really? Link? QoS ended with Bond interrogating the middle easterner who had compromised Vesper, but it didn't show him killing him, either. Mr. White on the other hand was wounded by Bond at the end of CR and the interrogation of Mr. White was just underway when he was sprung. Mr. White had not been seen since. He was critical as the intro piece to the Spectre organization.
I can't agree that exploiting the Bond/Blofeld arc in Spectre was stupid, creatively bad, or anticlimactic. This relationship *is* at the center of the 007 story. You can't have a meaningful reboot without addressing it, and the fourth Craig film was the right time. It was paid off because the one good thing that happened in Skyfall was to reestablish Bond's childhood roots (before burning it down in dramatic fashion), and addressing Bond's experience as an orphan with Blofeld is the logical next step.
I do agree that the bare-bones production in the CR torture scene was very effective, but part of that was to back away from the ridiculously elaborate cliffhangers that plagued 007 movies. The low-tech realism of the CR scene worked for the reboot partially because it hinted that more high tech approaches were coming in future movies. Having a very bright torture chamber with a high-precision, dental-like drilling device that can damage small parts of the brain was a good way to have it both ways.
I just find all the hyperbole a little hard to take. Spectre was not without merit, though I understand you feel strongly to the contrary.
I think the press about Craig not wanting to do another Bond film was purely based on his griping about the physical demands of the job taking a toll on him. He had been fed up at various points in making these films and ready to quit after a couple of moderate injuries. The press took this totally out of context and ran away with it. I don't remember any quotes along that lines of Craig thinking Spectre stank or was ashamed of it.
We know the limitations of the writing team. I think we are in good hands as long as we have a proper villain and Bond girl, though it will be hard to top Lea Seydoux.
Thought she was awful, looked like Daniel Craig's daughter.
She's an award winning actress, is older than previous Bond girls and is drop-dead gorgeous... so I can only assume you mean by this that you think Craig is very good looking?
To each their own, but I found her ugly.
LMAO...I'm starting to understand the histrionics behind Spectre being the worst movie in the history of the universe. Not your type, I can understand. I myself prefer Olga Kurylenko. But...UGLY?
Oh yeah. She's definitely repulsive.
The Fate Of Mr. White
And did you know that Corrine, the Canadian agent Bond finds with Vesper's former 'boyfriend' at the end of QoS, was none other than Beckett from Castle!?
Interesting. I'm glad they didn't go with that. It would have totally changed the flavor of QoS (for the worse I think), and I liked Mr. White's role in Spectre.
May have to change thread title again
Daniel Craig undecided on next James Bond film - BBC News
He just said on Colbert's show that he's doing another one.
Hope he's finally made his mind up. He says this will be the last one.....
Well the title's up Juggernaut something like that same author as Die Another Day etc..Dan's doing one more.
I'm not sure they can. Casino Royale was a fresh entry in the franchise, but it was based on Fleming source material. Once they got back to original movies, the next three Daniel Craig entries were significantly weaker. If they don't spend the time and money to get great writing and original ideas, they will not succeed.
One thing I wouldn't mind seeing? A remake of On Her Majesty's Secret Service but with a stronger Bond actor. Craig could really do justice to that storyline.
He's only doing the next one because Tom Hardy was lined up to do the next 3 with Dunkirk director on board for three Bond movies as well.
I'd love to read all about that. Hardy fan here.
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