Jefferson Starship

were there any 1980's CD pressings of Dragon Fly,Red Octopus,Spitfire and Earth?

 

I have a copy of octopus and dragonfly . Never found spitfire or earth until the 97 remasters came out.

 

Same here.

Pat

 

Could you post the catalog numbers and release year? Thanks a lot

 

1980's J. Starship
"Red Octopus" Grunt # PCD 10999 UPC 7863509992 Japan for US year unknown
"Dragon Fly" RCA # 3796-2-R UPC 7863537962 year unknown
"Gold" RCA #3247-2-R year unknown

> I also have all of the 1980's and 1990's Hot Tuna and many Jorma cd's.
> Many of the 1980's Airplane cd's


If you need further info, just ask

 

Also Nuclear Furniture PDC1-4921 was from 1984. It's ok.

I have "Gold" and it's dull, flat, awful sounding.

I've always wondered if the Red Octopus DCC gold cd was worth the big bucks it "sells" for on ebay...any comments on that one?

 

Tapes were in bad shape for the DCC and it's desirable for collectors only - IMO.

The remaster from 2005? ( not home now) was great.

 

Freedom At Point Zero came out in 1990 in the USA and 1991 in the Japan. I also have a third early USA pressing of this title but can't find it to know when it was released.

Pat

 

I have the DCC vinyl (same source ?) and the SQ is great - no tape problems I could hear. Can't see Steve cutting from a bad tape source

 

Read below about tape condition.

 

Red Octopus is a great album, I have the original CD, for the rest I rely on the Collection compilation CD.

 

I could use a little help with Spitfire on which to get. There seems to be a few different versions. Discounting the imports, Amazon has:

1997 - ?
2004 - this is a manufactured on demand CD-R, I don't want that, but I see other 2004 RCA/Legacy remasters listed elsewhere. The CD-R is likely a clone of that.
2009 - Amazon doesn't list this as a CD-R, so I assume its a factory pressed CD, but is it a re-issue of the 2004 remaster?

Anyone able to shed some light on these? Does anyone have the 1997? Is it like other 1997 BMG/RCA Jefferston Starship remasters in that it was remastered by Bill Lacey and Mike Hartry? I see those credits on my 1997 "Dragon Fly", which I like the sound of.

 

Yes, I have the 1997 Spitfire CD (RCA 07863 66876 2). It's the only CD version I have, though I also have the original stereo and quad LPs.

 

1997 Spitfire was done by Bill Lacey and Mike Hartry. Would love to know what they had to work with on all these 1997 re-issues. I also have the Japan version from 1998. No idea who mastered those CD's, I have a few from that series. THe Japan versions are 20 bit K2 Super Coding. Have never really compared the 2 but the indexing is different. Japan version has "Song To The Sun" as 2 parts - (1 -Ozymandias) and (2 - Don't Let It Rain).

Pat

 

Thanks for the info. Just ordered the 1997 disc from Amazon. I wonder if all those later issues (2004, 2009, and the 2013 original album classics set) are clones of the 1997 disc.

 

Was "Freedom At Point Zero" released as part of the 1997 remaster series by Bill Lacey and Mike Hartry?

 

It's a nice disc, to be sure.

 

The 97 remasters have excellent sound quality, this is what i have
Analyzed: Jefferson Starship / Dragon Fly
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 -0.07 dB -14.23 dB 5:12 01-Ride the Tiger
DR11 -1.02 dB -15.55 dB 5:04 02-That's for Sure
DR12 -0.66 dB -17.30 dB 3:51 03-Be Young You
DR12 -0.09 dB -15.36 dB 7:32 04-Caroline
DR12 -0.02 dB -14.66 dB 4:05 05-Devil's Den
DR12 -0.42 dB -14.36 dB 3:49 06-Come to Life
DR11 -0.35 dB -15.01 dB 5:29 07-All Fly Away
DR12 -0.08 dB -15.19 dB 7:42 08-Hyperdrive
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Number of tracks: 8
Official DR value: DR12

Analyzed: Jefferson Starship / Spitfire
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR11 -0.33 dB -13.76 dB 5:31 01-Cruisin'
DR10 -0.27 dB -12.45 dB 5:04 02-Dance with the Dragon
DR11 -0.22 dB -13.52 dB 3:19 03-Hot Water
DR9 -0.29 dB -12.04 dB 6:43 04-St. Charles
DR10 -0.45 dB -13.67 dB 7:18 05-Song to the Sun / Ozymandias / Don't Let It Rain
DR10 -0.32 dB -13.18 dB 3:39 06-With Your Love
DR10 -0.48 dB -12.92 dB 4:02 07-Switchblade
DR11 -0.37 dB -13.47 dB 3:25 08-Big City
DR10 -0.34 dB -12.43 dB 3:33 09-Love Lovely Love
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Number of tracks: 9
Official DR value: DR10

Analyzed: Jefferson Starship / Red Octopus [Bonus Tracks]
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 -0.01 dB -13.68 dB 3:31 01-Fast Buck Freddie
DR11 0.00 dB -14.31 dB 6:53 02-Miracles
DR13 -0.02 dB -14.68 dB 3:11 03-Git Fiddler
DR12 0.00 dB -13.81 dB 4:17 04-Al Garimasu (There Is Love)
DR10 0.00 dB -12.00 dB 3:24 05-Sweeter Than Honey
DR11 -0.01 dB -13.51 dB 3:47 06-Play on Love
DR12 -0.01 dB -14.25 dB 3:29 07-Tumblin'
DR11 -0.01 dB -13.14 dB 4:37 08-I Want to See Another World
DR11 -1.10 dB -15.53 dB 4:12 09-Sandalphon
DR11 -0.91 dB -14.96 dB 5:08 10-There Will Be Love
DR12 -0.01 dB -14.78 dB 3:30 11-Miracles
DR14 -3.22 dB -21.88 dB 1:16 12-Band Introduction
DR11 -0.01 dB -13.26 dB 3:35 13-Fast Buck Freddie
DR11 -0.01 dB -13.33 dB 4:59 14-There Will Be Love
DR13 -0.01 dB -14.17 dB 6:46 15-You're Driving Me Crazy
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Number of tracks: 15
Official DR value: DR12

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Analyzed: Jefferson Starship / Red Octopus DCC 1997
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR13 0.00 dB -14.41 dB 3:34 01-Fast Buck Freddie
DR13 0.00 dB -15.07 dB 6:56 02-Miracles
DR14 -0.29 dB -16.03 dB 3:13 03-Git Fiddler
DR13 0.00 dB -14.52 dB 4:20 04-Al Garimasu
DR11 -0.05 dB -12.85 dB 3:26 05-Sweeter Than Honey
DR12 -0.29 dB -14.86 dB 3:47 06-Play On Love
DR12 0.00 dB -14.80 dB 3:29 07-Tumblin
DR12 -0.21 dB -14.32 dB 4:38 08-I Want To See Another World
DR12 -1.51 dB -16.87 dB 4:12 09-Sandalphon
DR12 -0.48 dB -14.95 dB 5:08 10-There Will Be Love
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Number of tracks: 10
Official DR value: DR12

Analyzed: Jefferson Starship / Earth
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR14 -0.04 dB -17.17 dB 6:06 01-Love Too Good
DR12 -2.82 dB -17.66 dB 3:15 02-Count On Me
DR12 -1.27 dB -18.79 dB 4:12 03-Take Your Time
DR13 -0.34 dB -16.97 dB 3:39 04-Crazy Feelin'
DR13 -1.31 dB -16.91 dB 3:20 05-Skateboard
DR13 -0.76 dB -16.27 dB 4:44 06-Fire
DR12 -1.17 dB -16.98 dB 4:37 07-Show Yourself
DR13 -1.49 dB -16.75 dB 5:22 08-Runaway
DR12 -1.77 dB -16.45 dB 6:35 09-All Nite Long
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Number of tracks: 9
Official DR value: DR13

 

Its been awhile since I owned that title on CD. But if memory serves the answer is yes because I remember buying that title during the late '90s reissue campaign.

 

Replied via DM, but the answer is yes.
http://images.coveralia.com/audio/j/Jefferson_Starship-Freedom_At_Point_Zero-Trasera.jpg

 

Thanks Galley, I appreciate the picture.

 

When it comes to Jefferson Airplane I've only ever listened to Surrealistic Pillow, so as you can imagine, I don't have a clue about Starship. Are there any albums that are generally considered a high point in the group's career or any consensus essentials? I'm very curious about this group since I really have never heard anything from them. Sorry if this is slightly off-topic.

 

The first four of five are generally pretty good. Red Octopus (the second) is considered by most to be their best.

 

Depends on what you like. The first 'Starship' album Blows Against The Empire is one of those 'all-star' albums with almost everyone who was anyone in the late 60's California music scene participating. Along the lines of Crosby's solo LP; melodic, stoney, dreamy at times. Lots of unstructured jams laced with piano and guitar work, best heard at 1 am on a warm summer night.

The first four Jefferson Starship albums proper (Dragonfly through Earth) are superb melodic 70's soft rock. One option to get is 'Gold' - the J.S. compilation with the main hits that filled the AM & FM airwaves during most of the 1970's.

 

"Gold" is a great compilation of songs, however I found the sound quality to be dismally flat and lifeless.