Jethro Tull – Heavy Horses: New Shoes Edition, 5-disc set (9 February 2018)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Daniel Falaschi, Jun 7, 2017.

  1. Ed Hughes

    Ed Hughes Forum Resident

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    If I recall correctly, Burning Shed just sent a replacement automatically.
     
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  2. JAG

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    you are correct but my point is the defected dvds are still sold out and demand a very high price on ebay, those have a legit defect and the heavy horse dvd play fine so it wont effect sales and there is no "need" to be repleced
     
  3. MikeManaic61

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    Strange, so has been going on for awhile just that nobody has noticed.
     
  4. Kiss73

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  5. formu_la

    formu_la Pigs whisperer

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    It is a sign that manufacturing process has a flaw. Will it cause any problem or not, nobody knows. Most likely not.
    Many people don't like it. Like buying a book with dirty pages. One can still read it, but it is not right.
    I have not seen my DVD yet. If it looks like this, and doesn't have any scratches, I won't ask for replacement, but it tells me that somebody has a ****ty manufacturing process. "Aesthetic judgement" has nothing to do with it.
     
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  6. tootull

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    :wtf: Holy panic! All mine (nervously) :rant: checked fine. First time I've seen a cloudy DVD is with the HH live disc.

    No soup for you!
     
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  7. PROGGER

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    Cloudy or not. Who gives a crap lol
     
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    tootull John Norman

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  9. Vaughan

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    You're not paying for a product with no cosmetic "flaws". You're paying for the music, music transported on a medium that allows playback without fault. This is precisely what has been delivered. The "it must look like it was delivered from a vacuum" is a consumer desire that goes beyond that. It's not like the label is deliberately marking the surface. This is not a fine jewel, it's a consumer grade, mass produced, DVD that you're paying (relatively) little for. CD and DVD's are specifically designed to withstand cosmetic blemishes such as this.

    I ask you - assuming your disc plays, what precisely is the loss to the consumer? What's the damage? Just how often are you obsessing over the surface of your CD's and DVD's? And if you are, why?
     
  10. Norco74

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    Would a new DVD with more than 50% of its playing surface scuffed and still playable would be acceptable to you? Not sure what is the acceptable limit.

    This is about meeting a manufacturing standard not about how much you pay or what is comestically acceptable or not.Any inputs from the smart people on this thread are welcome.
     
  11. Vaughan

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    Well, I may not qualify as one of the "smart people", but I'll reply anyway. :D

    I don't have a limit. I've never even thought about it. I do know one thing for certain - it's not 0%.
     
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  12. Deek57

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    My DVD 2 has no scuff marks, maybe because I hold the disc sleeve so that it is slightly open so removing the disc without the playing surface touching the smooth card inner. Could some instances of scuffing be caused by dragging the disc out of the sleeve carelessly. I only ask as I have seen the way some people handle discs makes me cringe.
     
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  13. slipkid

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    Yeah, I use IMGUR. I used to use photobucket but it became a huge PITA. IMGUR isn't perfect but at least it seems like the images I upload work when I post them.
     
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  14. I am not that - and I don't even own the box yet - but relying on the pictures shown here, I'll say this affects another element: the resale value.

    I have bought a few expensive (for my budget) CD/DVD box sets in the past which I didn't enjoy in the end (Citizen Steely Dan, Tull cigar box...). I was sure glad I could sell these back - because they were impeccable - and recoup part of my money. Anyone should be able to resell a product he don't need anymore, don't like anymore or can't afford to keep anymore. I wouldn't like to have to explain a cosmetic defect like that to a potential buyer...
     
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  15. slipkid

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    I'm with you. As a step in the right direction I would at least like to know what causes this condition, find out if it could worsen over time & then affect playback later. Those who just seem to want to ignore the issue and criticize those of us that are concerned about it make me wonder if they work for the record label and just want to hush the whole thing up (I'm kidding but that thought has crossed my mind).

    If all DVDs looked like this I'd have no problem with it, that'd be the norm. But they don't. The closest thing I've ever seen to this was CDROT on my Deep Purple Live In Japan 21st Anniversary 3 CD set which played fine at first but then became 100% unreadable over time (the label acknowledged that as a manufacturing defect and made free replacement copies available).

    Obviously there is something strange here so what is the harm in wanting to know what is going on, or even to ask for a "normal" DVD that doesn't have this weirdness on it for your own piece of mind? If it plays fine now and I know it will not affect play later then I'm perfectly fine with the disc no matter how it looks. It could have purple polka dots or look like the inside of my shower curtain for all I care (that reminds me I need to get a new shower curtain). It's not the cosmetics that matter to me but until I know what the deal with the weird clouds are it is a concern.

    As an aside that has no real connection to this but still made me think of an association, the Philadelphia Flyers (I am a huge fan) recently played a game against the Winnipeg Jets. The Jets have a defenseman whose name is Chiarot! Made me think of a rotting chia-pet that somebody watered too much or something. Just my wacky sense of humor.
     
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  16. anth67

    anth67 Purveyor of Hogwash

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    How about people agree to disagree on their level of concern over the murky DVD discs?
     
  17. PROGGER

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    Or people get over it lol
     
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  18. The argument against expecting a scratch/smudge free disc even though it currently doesn't harm playback is invalid, IMHO. What if you bought a new car with cloudy or scratched paintwork? Same type of fault, but would that still be a first world problem?
     
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  19. You know people who would buy a new car with cloudy or scratched paintwork and not complain about it?..
     
  20. Norco74

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    Smart people refers to the ones with manufacturing or engineering experience/knowledge about DVD.

    The real question here is when does clouding or visual scuffing , because a lot of it is not seen, could really affect DVD playing on a short or long term.

    Parlofax is right, right from the getgo a new scuffed CD or DVD has a less resell value.
     
  21. Everybody would complain, and IMHO rightly so.
     
  22. Norco74

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    Try to figure out the salesman pitch here...
     
  23. I had misread you, sorry...
     
  24. anth67

    anth67 Purveyor of Hogwash

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    And so they have. And the endgame from a discussion perspective is...?
     
  25. wolfram

    wolfram Slave to the rhythm

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    Any comments on the 5.1 mix on these offensively disfigured DVDs?
     
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