JICO SAS is currently out of production!!

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  1. action pact

    action pact ^^ Sandy Warner, "The Exotica Girl" Thread Starter

    Important announcement regarding SAS products | JICO stylus | Online Shopping for Japanese Phonograph Needles »

    IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING SAS PRODUCTS
    Thanks to your gracious support in the past we are honored by the recent prosperity you have brought us and offer our deepest gratitude. Regarding the Super Analogue Stylus, which has long enjoyed your continued patronage, it has become most difficult to obtain the necessary parts, despite our best efforts. We regret to announce that all future sales will be discontinued.
    We endeavor to refine the original design and bring you the next generation of Super Analogue Stylus as soon as possible. Your continued patronage is much appreciated as we undergo this product transition.

    1. Affected Products:
      Future sales of all record styli utilizing the SAS (Super Analogue Stylus) tip have been suspended, effective immediately.
    2. Contact Information:
      Email: inquiry@jico.co.jp
    3. All orders which have already been received will be processed without interruption.
     
  2. action pact

    action pact ^^ Sandy Warner, "The Exotica Girl" Thread Starter

    We endeavor to refine the original design and bring you the next generation of Super Analogue Stylus as soon as possible.

    It will be interesting to see what they come up with as a replacement.
     
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  3. Thorensman

    Thorensman Forum Resident

    Just when i find heaven god closed the door.
     
  4. johnny q

    johnny q Forum Resident

    Location:
    Bergen County, NJ
    This totally sucks! My first experience with a SAS stylus is only a few months old and the upgrade in sound and tracking is not subtle. I have been contemplating buying another one for a separate cartridge, now it is too late. :( I bet the domestic vendors that have a supply of these will jack the prices up. I fully intended to use the SAS forever, due to the fact that out of the myriad cart's and styli I tried - it sounded the best by a country mile. Just when I found something I was happy with......sigh.
     
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  5. myles

    myles Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Near Marlow, UK
    I'd imagine there are a lot of people with cartridges waiting to fit the SAS stylus. That's a shame.
     
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  6. Sid Hartha

    Sid Hartha Forum Resident

    Location:
    The Midwest
    I'll just knock wood now in hopes that they don't suspend their Shibata production.
     
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  7. thommo

    thommo Forum Resident

    Location:
    London, England
    I wonder... the main difference between all other styli (production of which is not stopping) and the SAS is the cantilever.

    There are diamond tips on all the other styli, metal shafts, rubber bushings, plastic mounts...the real diff is the boron.

    Thoughts?
     
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  8. 33na3rd

    33na3rd Forum Resident

    Location:
    SW Washington, USA
    This is not good news, but I have faith that JICO will come up a solution. Probably not as quickly as any of us would like though!
     
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  9. BlueTrane

    BlueTrane Forum Resident

    Uhh... I was just about to spring for a Shure M97xe cart. :sigh:
     
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  10. johnny q

    johnny q Forum Resident

    Location:
    Bergen County, NJ
    Good questions. I can only compare the Jico SAS to the elliptical and hyperelliptical styli they offer and there is absolutely no comparison. Someone here mentioned the Shibata....I would love to hear from anyone that has compared the Shibata to the SAS for the same cartridge. Maybe that is a viable option while they re-engineer the SAS.

    Should I really be this panicked? :) I would estimate my SAS only has about 20-30 hours on it.
     
  11. 33na3rd

    33na3rd Forum Resident

    Location:
    SW Washington, USA
    Ruby to the rescue?
     
  12. Funky54

    Funky54 Forum Resident

    Here's my OPION, and I hope it helps someone in their journey.

    I'm currently doing a side by shootout of about 12 carts. Five are MM and seven are MC. A few of my buddies are also envolved to keep it as unbiased as possible. We're hoping to do needle drops of about three song portions for each cart along with pictures for added appeal. Once we have it down to 3 maybe 4 carts as the biggest winners we want to do a table shootout using the to "test synergy"
    Carts:
    Goldring 1042
    Ortofon 2M Black
    Ortofon 2M Blue
    Shure M97xe
    Shure M97xe with Jico SAS
    AT33ptgii
    AT33E
    ATOC9 ml
    Dynavector 10 X 5

    A few of these we have double of for comparing tables side by side.


    All that said to say this.. I'm not done, but some things are already obvious.
    I like the SAS. It's detailed and lifts your soundstage. But with that said... I'll never go back to MM. If the SAS isn't available my advice is take the opportunity to plunge into MC.
     
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  13. BlueTrane

    BlueTrane Forum Resident

    Great, I look forward to this.
     
  14. Funky54

    Funky54 Forum Resident

    Another thought. There are those Vivid stylus for like $80 for the shure carts.
     
  15. dmckean

    dmckean Well-Known Member

    Location:
    San Diego, CA, USA
    This is a big loss the way I see it. The JICO SAS has been bringing many old carts back from the dead, not just Shures.
     
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  16. BlueTrane

    BlueTrane Forum Resident

    Replying to my own post. Should I just get the cart and scoop up a SAS before they're gone?
     
  17. JBStephens

    JBStephens I am not a "peep", thank you very much.

    Location:
    South Mountain, NC
    That's exactly why Shure had to stop production of the V15vxmr. The cantilever was molybdenum, and our wonderful government told them they had to stop using it.
     
  18. johnny q

    johnny q Forum Resident

    Location:
    Bergen County, NJ
    That's the route I took before I got the SAS for my Shure cart. I purchased one from LP Gear. Sibilant as all hell, it tracks even worse than the entry level stylus that came with the cart. A better option was one of the NOS genuine Shure offerings the same vendor had. Sibilance issues disappeared and it tracks like a champ. With that said, still not even near the level of the SAS.
     
  19. Arkoffs

    Arkoffs Forum Resident

    noooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Good thing I ordered a new stylus a couple weeks ago. I guess we'll see if it shows up or not.

    I did try one of their lower-grade options for the V15Vmr and it didn't sound nearly as good. The SAS is close to what the old Shure styli sounds like.
     
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  20. Dr. J.

    Dr. J. Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Memphis, TN
    Hey, action pact, I'm not certain if I am remembering this correctly, but didn't you say that you preferred the regular EVG stylus on your M91ed cart? Or you liked it enough not to justify the extra money for an SAS? I have a V15 Type IV that I would like to put into circulation but the EVG for that model is $50 and the Jico Hyper Elliptical is $125. Not sure which route to go.
     
  21. sushimaster

    sushimaster Well-Known Member

    Pity. All good thing must come to an end.
     
  22. Paully

    Paully De gustibus non est disputandum

    Location:
    Alabama
    Why is that?
     
  23. Trashman

    Trashman Forum Resident

    Location:
    Wisconsin
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  24. ssmith3046

    ssmith3046 Forum Resident

    Initially I was floored by the sound that the SAS brought to my Shure V-15 IIIs but after a while I started using the Jico elliptical stylus and really enjoyed the rich full sound that it brought to my V-15 IIIs. SAS for detail, and what some might label sterile, elliptical for a rich, full old fashioned OEM sound. At least for my ears. The SAS that I do own will not be going anywhere.
     
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  25. JBStephens

    JBStephens I am not a "peep", thank you very much.

    Location:
    South Mountain, NC
    The governnment decided that producing molybdenum was hazardous to the health of those working in the factory, so private industry was banned from using it. However, the government itself was still allowed to use it in aerospace projects, etc. Very few audiophiles in congress, I suppose.
     
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