Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by MLutthans, Oct 5, 2010.
Continued from part 2.
Since I assume that you listened to your own sample, do they sound the same to you except for the level shifting?
I love the look of the unopened white box on my library shelf and DFSD is on right now.
I agree Howlinrock
Thanks very much for this. Will pick up POB & Imagine!
I don't recall ever hearing the little piano riff that is the cold end to "Mother" on the Gimme Some Truth box. Is that on the 2010 remaster of John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band and was it on the original LP?
I've found that Klaus V's bass on the remasters gives the sub a real workout.
Yes and yes.
I just played "Milk and Honey", "Walls and Bridges", and "Plastic Ono Band". This was my first time with the original mix of "Plastic Ono Band", besides my LP, so I'll just say what I think about "Walls".
"Walls and Bridges" sounds good, but to me, it's not a night and day difference. I think we got all the fidelity we could out of these tapes. The remaster sounds "heavier", for lack of a better word, but if I accidentally put in my CP32 Japanese CD into my "Non critical system", or even, my car, I more than likely wouldn't notice I put the wrong CD in until I played the whole thing and took it out. Personally, I don't feel this is a $100.00 upgrade, or however much the box costs.
None the less, I'll still be buying the McCartney remasters from the same team, because I think they're doing a good job. I'm glad they presented the tapes in a honest way, rather then they try to impress me with a huge upgrade by applying tons processing and EQ moves to the tapes.
I thought that I had heard someone say that Milk and Honey had replaced the Grow Old With Me demo with the fully-produced Anthology version. This is not true. However, while the new M&H disc does include the demo version, it does not have the echo effect found on the original Polydor disc. It sounds like the same version on last decade's remastered version...but this time, without the dropout towards the end (which Polydor's version didn't have).
Polydor CD: with echo
remix/remaster: no echo, with dropout
remaster 2010: no echo, no dropout
Just a heads-up.
Many thanks to sparkydog's post! It's about $20 more than I think it should be, but I can live with $120 for the Sig Box, and I'd never have got it for that if he wouldn't have posted the discount code.
How is the new Mind Games remaster? I'm kinda sitting on the fence on this one, quite happy with the remix. Is the booklet any good? Really liked the booklet with Imagine.
Can anyone compare the MFSL POB to the 2010 remaster?
The MFSL was made using the remix I believe, and the new remasters are from the original mixes as they came out in the 70's. So placement and volume for every vocal and instrument are different or vastly different to each mix. I've only listened to the MFSL for over 5 years now, and that's how I was introduced to it. I prefer the 2010 remaster/original mix. I think it has a bit better bass, but is more cluttered and dirty. I like the clutter, because the powerful opening note on "God", and the guitar on "Well, Well, Well" really shine with it. I really think the remix takes the kick and aggression out of the album.
Agreed. Good way to put it. The 2000 remix (including the MFSL disc, which doesn't sound all that different than the regular Capitol/EMI remix disc) sounds neutered, especially on Well, Well, Well. That song is supposed to be grungy, not clean!
The remix of Mind Games took too many liberties with the original mix, including adding a whistling organ line that was never present in the original title song, and stripping off some of the effects on the piano and Lennon's vocal, resulting in a very different sounding song. I say go for the remaster and forget about the remix.
The Anthology version of Grow Old With Me is used on the 4 CD Gimme Some Truth box.
On a side note, one of my best friends won't play his 60's garage music on my speakers because the songs become "neutered" when not played on really tiny speakers with EQ to get the grungy sound. lol. But yeah, the original mix of POB changed my mind in a heartbeat.
Thanks...awesome reply...I'll get the remaster and heck it out!
This is what I have in terms of Lennon CDs
Original Capitol US CDs for POB, Imagine, Sometime in NYC, Mind Games, Walls and Bridges, Rock and ROll and I have the Capitol Double Fantasy
I have the remaster of Rock and Roll and of Milk and Honey. I never bothered getting an original Milk and Honey at the time because they were expensive and they were reissuing it (This was before I was really aware of brick-walling and the like)
So the original Capitol CDs have the original mixes, but added NR, right? So the 2010 reissues for all of the 70s material are worth getting? I have two versions of rock and roll (see above). Is this one better than those?
Seems with the Capitol Double Fantasy, I have the necessary version of that?
Seems the Polydor version is the best Milk and Honey?
DF and M&H were never remixed, right? Just remastered (and brickwalled)
Trying to determine what I need here, it sounds like:
Some Time inNYC
Walls and Bridges
and maybe Rock and Roll
Plus Double Fantasy stripped down
The answer to every question in this post is yes!
Disappointing that they couldn't get Double Fantasy and Milk and Honey right when they seemingly got the other ones right
I sense Yoko Ono's heavy creative hand in regards to any negative remastering work done to the "Double Fantasy" and "Milk & Honey" CD's. It wouldn't surprise me since she's officially a co-performer on both albums.
Yoko Ono is probably not an audiophile, and probably doesn't think like an audiophile. If so, she fits in with 99.99% of the world's population. As such, she probably thought the 2000 and 2001 remasters of Double Fantasy and Milk and Honey sound fine (also, keep in mind she's 77), and that they didn't need to be remastered. After all, they were the only albums in the 2000-2005 remaster campaign that didn't get remixed. Of course, we, the 0.01% of the world's population who care about that kind of stuff, disagree with that sentiment.
But that doesn't mean she's some kind of villain, or up to something sinister.
I saw the Signature box in a store in Australia today: she's a behemoth alright! It was going for the princely sum of $A327 or $US320 or £200. Think I'll be ordering this online methinks!
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