Kids listening to old music

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by head_unit, May 9, 2017.

  1. beccabear67

    beccabear67 Forum Resident

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    More power to Adele and Justin Timberlake or Bruno Mars... I may not be into them really but I can tell they are very good at what they're doing. I am enjoying Shakey Graves and Cody Jinks lately and they are new but informed by the classic stuff. A lot of 'country' of the last couple decades was pop music with a cowboy hat or twang to me, did not appeal to me, but it kind of began with Shania Twain in my mind more than Garth. I did really like Leann Rimes, The Mavericks and Alison Krauss at the same time though, always something good going down if you can find it.
     
  2. head_unit

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    Is that really different from rock or hip-hop audiences? My feeling is mostly not.

    As for the size of the country audience, well, hasn't it always been large? But previously ignored/unmeasured until SoundScan came along? At that point it was definitely a shocking wakeup call to the rock-centric folks in the industry ha ha. Now me, I pretty much like it all from Hank onwards (with a special soft spot for Willie, bless his crazy heart). Mmmm, now I'm trying to think who is my favorite country artist. I'm blanking out, really, besides Willie. There are a lot of country artists I like but that I'm not necessarily a huge fan of. For my aforementioned child, the favorite would be Trisha Yearwood due to owning her hits CD, and then her surprise appearance (!)-WITH Garth (!!!!)-when we attended the Grand Ole Opry.

    (Now I have The Gatlin Brothers' performance of "All The Gold In California" from that show running through my head, along with Vince Gill's closing song which I wish I knew what it was or how to find out.* I cannot believe he came back on after Trisha + Garth, and pulled it off so excellently. Totally amazing.)
    *June 19, 2015
     
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  3. Hot Ptah

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    The country audience is much bigger than it was before Shania Twain and Garth Brooks ushered in a new era in the early 1990s.

    The country audience is quite different from the rock audience. Just go to 50 country concerts in the past five years as I have and the differences are very apparent.

    You are a generation behind in your references. Today's country stars, who routinely sell out arenas of 15,000 to 20,000, include Luke Bryan, Kenny Chesney, Jason Aldean, Florida Georgia Line, Blake Shelton, Dierks Bentley, Lady Antebellum, Rascal Flatts, Eric Church, Tim Mc Gray.

    Kenny Chesney sells out stadiums of 50,000 every summer that he tours.

    Willie Nelson now plays in venues of about 5,000 seats or less.

    Garth Brooks still sells out arenas. The others you have mentioned are now oldies acts. Trisha Yearwood is married to Garth and sings three songs in the middle of his show.
     
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  4. JPJs Bass Guitar

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    I have 2 boys - one is 8 and the other 2.

    We use Spotify playlists at home, and there's one called 'Mixtape' (I'm of that era you know ... :D) where I keep a variety of songs we like but not necessarily things we listen to all the time, and are a bit more 'family friendly' than some of the things I listen to on my own. There's always music on at home so we listen to this often, and they are exposed to literally hundreds of tracks that my wife and I like.

    Their current favourites are all over the place -

    Walking To New Orleans and Blue Monday by Fats Domino
    Rag & Bone by The White Stripes
    Machine Gun Sillouette by Jack White
    Diddley Daddy by Bo Diddley
    NIB by Black Sabbath
    Happy by Pharrel
    Mountain Lifter by Kula Shaker
    Figure It Out by Royal Blood
    Get Lucky by Daft Punk
    Sabotage by Beastie Boys
    This Unfortunate Show by Rich Robinson
    Black Dog by Led Zeppelin (strangely the 2007 O2 version only ... )

    They have no preconceptions of what is old or new, cool or not, rap or rock, so it's a pure love or dislike of songs.

    My oldest also takes a real interest in records and likes to look through my collection for albums of the artists he likes. All good as far as I'm concerned.

    Whether their tastes remain similar to ours, or go in the opposite direction doesn't matter. They enjoy music, just like we do and I'm glad for that.
     
  5. driverdrummer

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    I bet Thomas Rhett and Kelsi Ballerini could have a huge hit with a remake of Just You and I.
     
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  6. MikaelaArsenault

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    Kelsea, not Kelsi.
     
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  7. Hot Ptah

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    Cherish these pre-teen years! I hope your boys continue to like a wide range of music after they assert their independence around fifth grade.
     
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  8. Lord Summerisle

    Lord Summerisle Forum Resident

    Young people will always seek out good music.
     
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  9. tmsorosk

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    My daughter has liked classical music since she was 9, no one else in the house goes near that stuff.
     
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  10. Wombat Reynolds

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    sadly, this is all true.

    I dont know hundreds of modern country fans. I have met quite a few, playing in bands, and talking to people in the audience.

    The overwhelming majority of people that I met (and this is a tiny microscopic slice of the huge mass), were not fans of classic country.
    They mocked it and ridiculed it. "ugh that old twangy crap" was one comment I remember from a girl who had on a Shania tshirt.

    This is a lot different from the modern rock audience that I have met. These people at least have an interest in older, classic rock. They dont hate it anyway. Many of them collect it and dig it and are well-versed in it.

    Part of all this is that modern rock, in many respects, hasnt changed all that much from classic rock. Its often basically the same formula and instrumentation.

    Modern country, however, "sounds" a lot different than classic country. Modern country sounds like a rock band with a southern singer.

    just my opinions, created by talking to a whole bunch of people over a long period of time. Doesnt make it right or the truth.
     
  11. David67

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    My teenage son streams from Qobuz and in among his offline playlist which includes Chris Brown, Kendrick Lamar, Drake etc is Brian Eno's Unending Ascent. Not unusual though as he often relaxes to the iOS app Naturespace.

    I don't know if he has added any Zepp or Hendrix songs but he has played some of them on guitar.
     
  12. katieinthecoconut

    katieinthecoconut Well-Known Member

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    Discovering both old and new music is easier than ever due to Spotify and so on. Just before Spotify was really big, in my teens, I first discovered a lot of older bands when the UK music video channel The Hits had weekends of older tracks (80s onwards). It was always the same ones, an often random selection that they used again and again, but I found I loved a lot of that stuff. Their use of Friday I'm In Love, probably the most famous song by The Cure with young people at that point, turned me on to their other stuff. So I ended up downloading older music, and because I was a bit of a collector that wanted everything of note, I ended up liking a wide range of music.

    Movie soundtracks are another way that young people find things. Advertisements, too: I first discovered The Human League on a car advert. Young people are exposed to more pre-2000s music than some might think.
     
  13. Hot Ptah

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    Oops--I meant Tim McGraw, not Tim McGray. Also, I should have added Zac Brown to the list of country artists who sell out arenas of 15,000 to 20,000 seats routinely.
     
  14. Hot Ptah

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    I agree very much with what you have said. I have noticed that at the big arena and stadium concerts of today's country stars, what is played over the PA system before and after each act is usually not country music. It is usually hard rock, or Lynyrd Skynyrd. At one concert last summer, the Rolling Stones' "Casino Boogie" from "Exile on Main Street" was played before a country star came out.

    The best way to clear out an arena or stadium crowd quickly from the venue, after a country concert of today, would be to play some Hank Williams (the senior), Bob Wills, Webb Pierce, Loretta Lynn, Lefty Frizzell, over the sound system. The contemporary country audience would stampede out of there to avoid hearing any of that music.
     
  15. upfrown

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    I think it has a lot to do with the quality of "old" music. Where instruments were actually used over programmed, cookie cutter beats and generated sounds of today.
     
  16. OhNotHimAgain

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    It's all relative. I'm 26 (started hanging around this forum the month I turned 19, before joining), and while I'm way on the edge of the bell curve, my friend group includes people from all over it. Some listen to mostly grunge or 90's indie, others prefer modern hip hop or indie. I think streaming music does end up making it easier to find new music (whether it was recorded recently, or is new to you.) At the very least it makes it easier for me to recommend new music to people.

    I also find people to be generally unjudgemental about music taste, unless they're trying to get a rise out of someone. When people ask me what type of music I listen to I say a mix (true), but predominantly classic and indie rock. I still listen to / enjoy modern pop hits, but I don't usually hear that music unless I'm out on the weekend.

    As music geeks its easy to take everything seriously (format, pressing, playback chain, etc.) but to most young people it's about whether or not the song is interesting to them, and how it's presented. I don't walk into someone's apartment carrying my latest eBay score to extol the virtues of Sagittarius' mono singles and latter day Nick Drake* like I'm giving the sermon on the mount.

    Generally I hear about / share music by saying "hey, don't you like X, you might want to check out Y, and if you like that song I can recommend more like it."

    * The singles are worth checking out, even if they're stranded on the Japanese reissue of the album on CD, and my favorite ND album is Bryter Layter.
     
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  17. TheDailyBuzzherd

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    I've heard my kid playing quite a few oldies, very surprised THIS
    was in her playlist:






    Naturally, I'd heard it before but didn't know by whom it was,
    thought it The Hollies. Anyway … I chirped and asked.
     
  18. Wombat Reynolds

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    yup.

    I probly told you this, but, at one of my country bands gigs a couple of years ago, we were told NO OLD COUNTRY. We ended up playing rock and modern country the whole night and as we left, the bar patrons were leaving... and a bunch of them playing hard core rap really loud in their cars.

    I wonder how big the crossover is in the modern country audience, between that, and rap?

    50 years ago that would have unthinkable.
     
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  19. Hot Ptah

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    In my experience, talking to the college age people, and people in their 20s, 30s and 40s, who I know, they use streaming to find more of what they already like and know. I have literally never heard any of them say, "I got on Spotify and checked out the recordings of Billie Holiday (or Jefferson Airplane, or Roxy Music, or the Byrds)." Instead, they say, "I just streamed some new rap that was really sick." "Sick" means great to them.
     
  20. JPJs Bass Guitar

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    Really?? I'm 42 and if I ever said "I just streamed some new rap that was really sick" to any of my friends, they have my permission to punch me square in the face.
     
  21. Hot Ptah

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    However, most of the younger people I know love the cookie cutter beats and generated sounds. They say that "the beats are really sick. The beats are TIGHT!" Those are terms of high praise for them. To many of them, it is all about the mechanically generated beats. Without machine beats, music is worthless to many of them.

    Many of them literally do not know, or care, about musical instruments. A large group of us went to a Latin jazz/rock performance, as one of our mutual friends is in the band. This group of about 50 people from age 22 to 45 were all talking about "what is that? what is that one over there?" They did not know what an acoustic bass, a trumpet, or a saxophone looked like. I identified the instruments for them. They were not interested in hearing anything else about them.
     
  22. Hot Ptah

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    I drink regularly with a group of about ten males, ages 40-45, and that is all they listen to and talk about. We all have different experiences, for sure. But this thread began with the assumption that young people do like older music. I am pointing out anecdotal information that the picture is not as clear as all that.

    All that any of us have is anecdotal information about this subject.
     
  23. Cherrycherry

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    Now, your eight y.o. Kid is going to start using that exact phrase!
     
  24. JPJs Bass Guitar

    JPJs Bass Guitar Forum Resident

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    :D Yea, but he's young enough to get away with it!
     
  25. beccabear67

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    Thirty plus years of suburban white kids with baggy shorts and backwards baseball caps strutting around like 'dey in da hood' = sick. :laugh:
     
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