KISS: The Songs 1974-2012

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by GodShifter, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. Cheevyjames

    Cheevyjames Well-Known Member

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    @dadonred pretty much nailed it. Prechoruses link the verses and choruses and are usually either exactly the same or have slight variations in the lyrics. Bridges are distinct sections (sometimes playing off the verses and choruses and sometimes are a big change) and normally come after the 2nd chorus and either lead into the guitar solo or back to a chorus. Bridges are more or less the "C" section in a song when a song goes ABABCAB or whatever. It's really interesting to me how much I love prechoruses and I know it's because I grew up listening to metal. For some strange reason a lot of metal songs feature prechoruses while other rock and pop doesn't. I'd be interested to know where the idea for pc's came from as far as rock bands go.
     
  2. Hamhead

    Hamhead Sinatra promo specialist

    This is one of the pictures from the Perry Middle yearbook from 1976.

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    Depp is in the middle, Tommy Campbell is on the left. This weird kid named Robert is on the right, he had a hole in his pants and pulled his tallywacker though it and walked down the hallway. He got in trouble.

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    If they talked to Mr. Milard he would have said the opposite, he hated Depp since he used to interrupt class (as well as anyone else who disturbed him).
    I hope that's enough.
     
  3. npgchris

    npgchris Forum Resident

    WHILE THE CITY SLEEPS

    I listened to this last night, for the first time in years and years (and still more years), and didn't remember it at all. And, it was pretty much forgotten by the time I finished listening to it. Reading a bunch of positive opinions on this just now, seems to have influenced me a bit, as I liked it more listening to it again, but I still get on overwhelming sense that Gene was "half-ass"-ing this when he came up with it. (Actually, more like "quarter-ass"-ing it I guess, since apparently this is mostly the work of Mitch Weissman).

    Those lyrics are pretty hilarious. It's like Gene had a reference book with common sayings in it, and just randomly through a bunch together. Anyway, rhythmically this is somewhat interesting, and I agree that it would be better to just hear an instrumental version of this. It tells you all you need to know about this period in KISStory that a song like this ends up sounding pretty decent, simply based on the underwhelming, half-baked tunes surrounding it! This would have been a nothing, throwaway track on an earlier KISS album, but here, it's seen as one of the standout tracks by many. Sigh.... 6.5/10

    How embarrassing is it that Gene only plays bass on two songs on ANIMALIZE? Seriously? Oh, it's three? Either way, that is pathetic. Despite Paul's many flaws, he deserves a medal for carrying Gene's ass during this period of time. I can appreciate Gene allowing someone else to play bass on a song, especially if he feels like the other person has a better feel for the needs of that particular song. But here, he's obviously just checked out and is leaving the heavy lifting to others. I hope he was appreciative at the time to both Paul and Eric for them doing a lot of the work that he should have been doing.
     
  4. npgchris

    npgchris Forum Resident

    Thanks! Had I seen those in a store, it'd have been awfully hard to pass them by! :thumbsup:
     
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  5. npgchris

    npgchris Forum Resident

    No, it's not enough, but I appreciate you sharing whatever you can. Honestly, I could probably read a few pages worth of stuff like this, especially since KISS plays a role in the story. Depp is actually one of the few actors in modern times that I give a s##t about (I know, that's my problem, not yours), and school anecdotes are often pretty funny, anyway. Great stuff, and please feel free to share as much as you wish. I'm sure a bunch of us will read it with interest.

    Oh, and 100 bonus points for the use of the term "tallywacker". It'd been a while since I'd heard that one! :tiphat:
     
  6. vamborules

    vamborules Forum Resident

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    For the last four or five songs I keep thinking okay maybe I'll wait til there's one I say more about than 'I hate this.'

    And uh...I'll keep you posted.
     
  7. npgchris

    npgchris Forum Resident

    We'll be here, standing by! :laugh:
     
  8. Exile On My Street

    Exile On My Street Forum Resident

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    While the City Sleeps



    This album is just a big empty nothing to me, riddled with cliché after cliché, uninteresting generic riffage, abominable lyrics..Maybe I just don't get the 80's metal..or more precisely, KISS in the 80's. Gene hasn't given us a song even worthy of "Charisma" in nearly 5 years. This is reaching, meandering, going through the motions rock music and the bar keeps getting lower and lower. Bland stuff.

    Oh and Gene? Yeah, thanks for showing up with your bass today. We're proud of you.
     
  9. MagneticNorthpaw

    MagneticNorthpaw Forum Resident

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    Actually, he was borrowing Paul's. ;)
     
  10. SammyJoe

    SammyJoe Up The Irons!

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    "While The City Sleeps", just listened to this couple times and it's basically little nice, if not even ok song.
    Definitely better than I remembered, which isn't much as Animalize hasn't been on my rotation too much lately.
    Song starts with good intro and have to say that Genes sounds good on this one. I like the verses and the break between solo is clever.
    All in all, eventhough this might be little forgettable song, it's ok and I kinda like it.
    Maybe it's just too clear now reading comments, interviews and stuff how can now easily see that for example Gene didn't have top priority set on Kiss back then.
    I wonder what Kiss could have come up with if they only could have raised the bar higher and never reached the lowest points of the low in the 80's?

    Earlier as I mentioned that I quite haven't overplayed these later songs on the album, it's just that as this album was among the first I heard but it didn't stay on constant rotation as some other albums in their catalogue.
    Back then if I listened to this on lp or cassette, then it would just roll through all the songs, but I must have been distracted or paid attention to other stuff than some song playing from the album.
    I listened to this quite a lot back then, but it's just that these songs haven't actually managed to do that kind of a everlasting effect, which some of the more classic Kiss-songs have done.
    Anyways, it's just nice that this thread makes us listen to each album and song more carefully, then in the long run it's always nice revisit these "not too overplayed" songs.
     
  11. Diamond Star Halo

    Diamond Star Halo Forum Resident

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    Anybody else have this nice little anthology?

     
  12. Exile On My Street

    Exile On My Street Forum Resident

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    Even better..hahahaha

    If Paul didn't love money more than his art he should have gone solo in '84 and gone back to writing songs the way he did in the '78-'80 KISS era. Let Gene figure out on his own what the hell he was doing. But Paul didn't want to go that route, probably too fearful of releasing any material not under the KISS moniker.
     
  13. npgchris

    npgchris Forum Resident

    I may get burned for saying this, for I haven't listened to ASYLUM in as many years as it has been for ANIMALIZE, but I'll state this to serve as encouragement for you to stick around (and also for @GodShifter, who seems to harbor wretched feelings for the next album). Though ASYLUM is no masterpiece, my memory tells me that it is a noticeable step up from the flotsam and jetsam that is ANIMALIZE.

    Looking at the track listing now, I see 4 tracks that I remember as good, two or three that I either can't remember, or barely remember, one stinker, and a couple that are "OK". Admittedly, these are semi-ancient memories, but I think the next album will be better than the one we're on now. Not that that's setting too high of a bar, however! :sigh: o_O
     
  14. Cheevyjames

    Cheevyjames Well-Known Member

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    Of course! It's a classic.
     
  15. SizzleVonSizzleton

    SizzleVonSizzleton Forum Resident

    Paul had some bad enough songs in the 1980's while only having to fill half an album each time. The idea of him having to come up with twice the amount of material for each record doesn't excite me.
     
  16. Exile On My Street

    Exile On My Street Forum Resident

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    There are a few songs on the next album I remember enjoying. A few. It was the last KISS record I ever purchased when it was new. I also have a little story from the day I bought the album which I will share in 2 days.
     
  17. npgchris

    npgchris Forum Resident

    You just phrased this as compassionately and with as much understanding as anyone ever has! Gene now loves you, and you may have just made his Christmas Card list!
     
  18. MagneticNorthpaw

    MagneticNorthpaw Forum Resident

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    So, in KISS terms, this non-starter is a non-Exciter? :p
     
  19. npgchris

    npgchris Forum Resident

    No thanks, I just ate!
     
  20. Exile On My Street

    Exile On My Street Forum Resident

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    But I'm sure he was writing more songs than that that may have been good, but they weren't deemed bad enough for a KISS record. For example, a "Shandi" or "Tomorrow" wasn't going to make the grade in this era of KISS. Paul would need to rework that song if it were released in the 80's:

    "And tomooooRRRoooww...
    We're gonna 69, 69
    And tomoooRRRRooowww
    We're gonna 69, 69"

    When Paul writes for KISS, he's catering to an image. On his own I feel he would have been (somewhat) more tolerable.
     
  21. Curveboy

    Curveboy Forum Resident

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    I'll throw in I think Asylum is either the best produced KISS album or a close second.
     
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  22. npgchris

    npgchris Forum Resident

    One of the areas where Paul and Gene have shown more intelligence (as compared to Ace and Peter) is, they both realize that their careers outside of KISS would never measure up to what they had in KISS. Gene obviously had Hollywood aspirations, which he was partially able to fulfill, but musically, they both knew where their bread was buttered, and had the good sense to know that a "Paul Stanley" or a "Gene Simmons" album would never have the traction or resonance of a "KISS" album.
     
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  23. Haggis Wampovich

    Haggis Wampovich Forum Resident

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    These terms aren't hard and fast, but in my experience they are not the same. Obviously, a pre chorus is a section that occurs (and usually happens more than once throughout a song) before the chorus. A bridge is often a section that breaks up the repetition of the repeated verse/pre chorus/chorus sections in a song. Sometimes it features vocals, other times not. And some songs have more than one unique bridge section.

    I don't know how helpful I'm being...but I hope this helps a little
     
  24. MagneticNorthpaw

    MagneticNorthpaw Forum Resident

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    Further, does anybody else ever break into "Paul-speak" with their family and/or friends? I have ten- and thirteen-year-old boys who alternately roll their eyes and laugh at it depending on their general mood.

    E.g.: "LISTEN, people - how many of you here today...WANT OATMEAL FOR BREAKFAST??!??!?"
     
  25. bartels76

    bartels76 Forum Hall Of Fame

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    I wish I could agree but I think it is in the Top 5 worst recorded,
     

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