KISS: The Songs 1974-2012

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by GodShifter, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. Sandinista

    Sandinista Formerly hightower68

    We are back in my Paul wheelhouse now - really good song.

    Fun riff - and I agree very Facey/Stonesy and a million more hooks than much of the tunes that precede it - particularly the chorus.

    Paul nails the vocals.

    Light hearted, fun vibe to it. Feels like a bit of a burst of cool air here.
     
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  2. GodShifter

    GodShifter Forum Metal Expert® Thread Starter

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    Actually, I don't like it that much, either. I find it pretty derivative and not a song that really moves the needle for me one way or another.

    @Exile On My Street I agree about Love Gun but we'll get there. It's a very special album to me, but no question that there are some of the biggest duds ever on that album.
     
  3. 24voltsdc

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    Yeah man there's going to be A LOT of duds we will be discussing from this point forward.
     
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  4. Rose River Bear

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    Right on.
    I love the slippery octave double note riff in the song. It is the hook for me. Would be boring without it.
    Ace is great at these sliding riffs that emulate slide guitar type riffs.
     
  5. Diamond Star Halo

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    Mr. Speed - This is probably my favorite cut on the album. I just can't get enough of the riff - it's one of my go-to warm up riffs when I pick up my guitar. I too hear some Stones influence, but I'm also hearing T Rex as well. The song struts - Paul's vocal delivery is perfect, and the vocal harmonies are awesome. The quick-shooting lyrics are dumb, but always make me smile. Ace's solo is perfect as usual. Gene's bass is simple yet effective, and Peter provides a good groove. I cannot believe they didn't play this song live. Does anyone know why? It is clearly one of the fan favorites from the album.
     
  6. SizzleVonSizzleton

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    I always thought of Mr. Speed as being a very slight and lightweight song. And another song that for all the Ezrin bashing from a certain subset of the Army, sounds more studio than balls out rocker.

    I love the circular intro riff which sounds like something that accidentally slipped out of Paul's fingers and he went "wait a minute". Which I guess probably happens with every riff. Interesting that Sean Delaney is a co-writer of this, maybe one of them played the riff and the other one's ears perked up.

    I think Mr. Speed is a pretty creative song hidden in a fairly basic riff. The riff doesn't sound like it requires much skill but don't be fooled, this song couldn't have been written by just anyone to sound so fun.

    Ace seems like he's doing all the Ace-isms in his solo but it somehow seems just okay. Certainly doesn't detract from the song at all. This song is just all Paul all the time, I barely even notice the bass and drums.

    I've really come around to this song and now rate it highly on the album.
     
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  7. Exile On My Street

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    Just a thought or two from a personal perspective. I went into this thread with RaRO being my favorite KISS album and while I didn't expect everyone to agree with that assessment, obviously, I'm surprised at how many of us fans are not moved by any of these songs or performances. It's actually beginning to make me question my own taste. As I've stated , RaRO was my first KISS record and I ripped it to shreds playing it on my turntable and maybe, just maybe, my love for the record is drenched in nostalgia and if I heard it for the first time today, would I like it or appreciate it as much? Surely it doesn't have any real standout KISS anthems like "Shout It Out Loud" but I'm sitting here conflicted.

    @yarbles said if this was his first KISS record instead of "Love Gun"he would have quit on them. I didn't get the chance to hear "Love Gun" until long after my initial KISS phase had ended and my impression was that it was mostly garbage. BUT, what if that had been my first KISS listen, would I have felt differently? I can't really say.

    Don't mind me, just thinking out loud..
     
  8. SizzleVonSizzleton

    SizzleVonSizzleton Forum Resident

    Don't ever do that.

    Anybody that says their love of something has no nostalgia attached to it is lying. Either to you or to themselves.

    Edit to add-I'm the type who will just cop to it. When we get to Love Gun and you guys are taking shots at Then She Kissed Me I'm going to say I have no problem with it and admit right up front that Love Gun was my first KISS album. And that matters to why I dig it, why would I lie about that? Oh, and spoiler alert about Then She Kissed Me.:D
     
  9. Exile On My Street

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    HA! I don't mind that cover at all, oddly enough. And I don't even mind "Tomorrow and Tonight".
     
  10. SizzleVonSizzleton

    SizzleVonSizzleton Forum Resident

    You and I are on the same page, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter!
     
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  11. GodShifter

    GodShifter Forum Metal Expert® Thread Starter

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    Love Gun was my first rock album ever, I ruined it I played it so much. Was everything gold on it? No way. Even as a dumb kid I hated some of the material, but the overall presentation and experience was awesome. I think that's how we view a lot of stuff we hold dear. It's not perfect; but it's what we've known and loved for a long time so you overlook the flaws.
     
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  12. Diamond Star Halo

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    I agree. It's very interesting reading all of these different perspectives. Like you, I've always taken it for granted that RARO is a Kiss Klassic. It was one of my first Kiss purchases and I can still remember how it absolutely floored me. There is a strong possibility that my enduring love for the album has been coloured by nostalgia. In the end it doesn't really matter though. I love it, and revisiting it over the past few days has only strengthened my passion for this record.
     
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  13. Rose River Bear

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    I agree. That little descending part of the riff right before and during the verse was nicked from Get It On. Bolan does the same little descending line after the boogie chord. At :15.

     
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  14. Diamond Star Halo

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    I don't want to delve too deeply into Love Gun just yet, but to me it always sounded like RARO Pt 2, but more forced and not as good. Maybe it's because I bought RARO a couple of months before Love Gun. I enjoy parts of Love Gun immensely, but there are some cuts that I dislike. I know this is heresy, but I can't stand the title cut. Ditto Then She Kissed Me.
     
  15. Terrapin Station

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    If it helps you I'd rate it 5/5.

    Of course, I'd only rank it maybe around the middle of KISS' albums . . . I rate almost every album of theirs a 5/5 (which is the only way they'd end up in my top 20, as they are--I like enough music that much that this is basically a criterion to wind up ranked that high on my list as an artist), but that I'd only rank Rock and Roll Over around the middle of the pack doesn't mean that I don't love it.
     
  16. Rose River Bear

    Rose River Bear Forum Resident

    You may be a youngster but you have maturity when it comes to rock and Kiss!
    I would not tell what my first rock album was but as a hint it was way before Love Gun. :shake:
     
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  17. Diamond Star Halo

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    Yup - in fact I'd say Mr Speed is closer to T Rex than the Stones. In case anyone missed it from my user name, I'm a huge T Rex fan. I can hear a lot of T Rex influence in Kiss music, particularly on the first 3 albums (e.g. Firehouse). I also think Marc Bolan was a huge influence Paul Stanley as a performer. Paul even stole some of his stage moves from him:

     
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  18. Sandinista

    Sandinista Formerly hightower68

    T. Rex is a good call - I hadn't thought of that but now that you mention it... yep!
     
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  19. Terrapin Station

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    I don't really have a first rock album. :(

    I guess it's kind of "whatever my folks first played when they brought me home from the hospital as a baby."

    It's not even clear to me what the first album that I bought was, because I was spoiled and my mom would regularly buy albums on my suggestion/request going back as far as I can remember. It would just be a distinction of the first album I bought with what was "my own money" . . . but I'm not sure what the answer to that is. I do know that the first album that I have no doubt about buying with my own money, and not just allowance money, but money made from working (though part of it was working at my dad's shop) was Elton John's Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy.
     
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  20. Haggis Wampovich

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    Like many of you, I'm a big fan of Mr. Speed. It's another Paul Stanley home run. There is a lot of positive vibration in his songs on RARO. This one feels poppy, bouncy, rocking and swift to my ears. Put my name in the 'Love It' column.

    I'm also in total agreement with the T. Rex, Faces, Stones reference points you guys are mentioning.
     
  21. Rose River Bear

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    Big time T Rex influence. Kiss were basically a boogie based rock band. T Rex was a little more diverse but their rock side was very boogie based. I agree about Paul Stanley.
     
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  22. Haggis Wampovich

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    Come clean RRB! What was your first rock album? My earliest music memories are from Eagles Hits vol. 1 on 8 track. We (my bro and I)had Heart, Eagles, Steely Dan, Pink Floyd, Crusaders, Waylon playing in our house.
    Then my brother and I got RARO that my Mom brought home from a garage sale. After that, KISS ruled our universe. (Until Zep came along in our early teens- but we won't talk about that).

    Edit: we also had Doors first lp, big brother -cheap thrills, Cream, Hendrix and Yes in the mix. We were lucky kids that our Dad had these lying around for us to play.
     
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  23. Drewstir

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    Baby doncha know you can , cryyy-ee yiiieee yahiiiiiiiiiii... great Beatley stuff there! Good jam, that Mr Speed.
     
  24. Curveboy

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    I'd firmly put RNRO in the top 5 best KISS discs, so don't sweat it.
    Not sure if I mentioned it earler, but my best bud who is NOT a KISS fan, loves RNRO.
     
  25. Deuce66

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    Mr. Speed - always liked this one a LOT and always will, it's 100% Starchild even if Delaney wrote most of it?? - great tune. 5/5

    What's shocking to me is they never played this one live until very late in their career, some half ass versions played Unplugged on the Convention tour and then on one of the Kruises.

     

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