Yeah, I could tell no difference between all variations of that Human's lib cd It was verified on the Onkyo thread but the poster never specified analog only and until recently I did not realize the optical and the coax were the bottlenecks
Denon 1940ci- DVD/SACD/DVD-A Verified analog out TOC and SUB using Howard Jones Human's Lib West German Target, Pre-emphasis located in the SUB on this one For TOC, Pink Floyd's The Wall
You can also add the Kenwood DP7090 to this list. Just had the Emphasis light display on two Japanese Springsteen BTR discs I have. 35DP-21 41 and 35DP-21 41A2.
CD/Universal players Arcam Arcam Alpha 5 Cambridge Audio Cambridge DVD99 Cambridge Azur 840C Cyrus Cyrus CD6S Denon Denon DCD-695 Denon 1940ci- DVD/SACD/DVD-A Harman Kardon Harman Kardon HD7300 Harman Kardon HD7600 JVC JVC XL-V550 Kenwood Kenwood DP7090 Marantz Marantz CD5001 Marantz SA KI Pearl Marantz 63 KI Mitsubishi Mitsubishi DP-101 Naim Naim CD-5i Naim CD555 Onkyo Onkyo C7030 Onkyo C-S5VL (SACD/CD) Oppo Oppo BDP 80 Pioneer Pioneer DV-656A Rega Rega Apollo Rotel Rotel RCD-1072 Sony Sony SCD-X501 (SACD/CD) Technis Yamaha Yamaha cdx-397 mk2 DACs Benchmark DAC 1 Pre Cambridge Dacmagic 2 Mk.II Chord Hugo Reimyo DAP-777 Feel free to bump the thread adding your own findings, please There must be more players that can't decode pre-emphasis. Anyone?
I have the early Japanese Abbey Road that had pre-emphasis...however mine is a cdr from ripped file and not sure if the music was de-emphasized or not in the rip.... Would that matter....or would my Onkyo 7030, on the list, 'see' it and deemphasize ? The disc sounds very good to me without any extra treble sound. Thanks.
If the ripped files were de-emphasized and then copied onto a CD-R, your CD player would play as a normal CD without pre-emphasis
Offtopic but are there any BT Abbey Roads without pre-emphasis? Mine never sounded unnaturally bright to me when played without the de-emph and when I tried to rip it it was recognized by EAC/accuraterip as an entirely different mastering with crcs completely differing from everyone else's copy of the BT Abbey Road that I could find My initial thought was that it was counterfeit but I made a thread about it way back when and it was verified by the members here as a legitimate copy. This was some time ago but reading this thread brought it back into memory for me. Some pre-emp discs sound very bright and unnatural when played back without the appropriate de-emphasis, like something is obviously wrong. But this one just sounded more or less normal.
I'd like to find out from my source about this....but I just don't know... As I said...it sounds fine so I don't mind not knowing. Surely it would be highly noticeable if not done correctly...I'd think.
Normally the audio itself is not changed when ripping/burning. The question is whether the pre-emphasis flag was set during burning or not. The tonality of the Odeon CD is generally similar to that of the stock 1987 CD. If your CD-R is significantly brighter, it wasn't burned correctly. As above, in most cases ripping doesn't change the audio itself. I believe the exception is some versions of iTunes, which apply the de-emphasis curve normally applied on playback. I'm not aware of any Odeon Abbey Road discs without pre-emphasis. Your differing CRCs could be the result of rip/burn offset issues. You could use CUETools to see if your rip matches a known disc.
Got rid of it soon after because of the mismatch and I never trusted it, it never matched up to anything. It was a problem I only had with that disc so who knows what was up. If it was real I can only presume anyway that it was not the master everyone knows/expects/commonly refers to when talking about this disc. My other pre-emph discs always had a super shrill sound when playing them "raw", no mistaking it for anything else. Great test disc to have is the denon audio technical cd from 1984, I am not positive if it has the pre-emphasis in the subcodes or TOC but it has them on/off on a track by track basis, and if my memory isn't playing tricks on me I think it even had a couple of identical tracks with pre and without preemphasis.
If i have some FLAC files already ripped by another person, can i still use a software that find if they have pre-emphasis? Cause i believe the person who ripped it didn't knew about that. And if a record doesn't have pre-emphasis, but somewhat sounds like those old CDs with it, if i apply de-emphasis can i (in a strange way) improve the sound of that record?
Open the .cue file with a text editor. If you see a line that says PRE the disc has pre-emphasis. EAC adds this line, i'm sure other ripping software do it as well. Remember it is not deemphased, just marked. If you were to burn it from the .cue file the cd will be flaged for PRE and the cd-player can than play the disc properly. You have to manually deemph for playback directly. And one more thing. Most ripping software will detect preemphasis in TOC only.
CD/Universal players Arcam Arcam Alpha 5 Cambridge Audio Cambridge DVD99 Cambridge Azur 840C Cyrus Cyrus CD6S Denon Denon DCD-695 Denon 1940ci- DVD/SACD/DVD-A Harman Kardon Harman Kardon HD7300 Harman Kardon HD7600 JVC JVC XL-V550 Kenwood Kenwood DP7090 Marantz Marantz CD5001 Marantz SA KI Pearl Marantz 63 KI Mitsubishi Mitsubishi DP-101 Naim Naim CD-5i Naim CD555 Onkyo Onkyo C7030 Onkyo C-S5VL (SACD/CD) Onkyo-DV SP800 (New addition) Oppo Oppo BDP 80 (TOC only) Pioneer Pioneer DV-656A Rega Rega Apollo Rotel Rotel RCD-1072 Sony Sony SCD-X501 (SACD/CD) Technis Yamaha Yamaha cdx-397 mk2 DACs Benchmark DAC 1 Pre Cambridge Dacmagic 2 Mk.II Chord Hugo Reimyo DAP-777 Feel free to bump the thread adding your own findings, please There must be more players that can't decode pre-emphasis. Anyone?
CD/Universal players Arcam Arcam Alpha 5 Cambridge Audio Cambridge DVD99 Cambridge Azur 840C Cyrus Cyrus CD6S Denon Denon DCD-695 Denon 1940ci- DVD/SACD/DVD-A Harman Kardon Harman Kardon HD7300 Harman Kardon HD7600 JVC JVC XL-V550 Kenwood Kenwood DP7090 Marantz Marantz CD5001 Marantz SA KI Pearl Marantz 63 KI Mitsubishi Mitsubishi DP-101 Naim Naim CD-5i Naim CD555 Onkyo Onkyo C7030 Onkyo C-S5VL (SACD/CD) Onkyo-DV SP800 (New addition) Oppo Oppo BDP- players (TOC only) Pioneer Pioneer DV-656A Rega Rega Apollo Rotel Rotel RCD-1072 Sony Sony SCD-X501 (SACD/CD) Technis Yamaha Yamaha cdx-397 mk2 DACs Benchmark DAC 1 Pre Cambridge Dacmagic 2 Mk.II Chord Hugo Reimyo DAP-777 Feel free to bump the thread adding your own findings, please There must be more players that can't decode pre-emphasis. Anyone?
Question: If using cd-player as transport -> DAC is it up to the player or the DAC to deemph? If up to the DAC, is that information then carried with the digital stream?
Players DAC You want to use your analog out's It's actually a great way to also test if your disc has it, by switching back and forth between digital and analog. Using this test can also confirm or deny if your player can handle a tag located in the SUB Q channel You will definitely notice a difference, especially in the vocals.
add the Technics SL-P555 which is equipped with an emphasis light on the front panel. It has detected all my early discs so far. This player was manufactured in 1989-1990.
CD/Universal players Arcam Arcam Alpha 5 Cambridge Audio Cambridge DVD99 Cambridge Azur 840C Cyrus Cyrus CD6S Denon Denon DCD-695 Denon 1940ci- DVD/SACD/DVD-A Harman Kardon Harman Kardon HD7300 Harman Kardon HD7600 JVC JVC XL-V550 Kenwood Kenwood DP7090 Marantz Marantz CD5001 Marantz SA KI Pearl Marantz 63 KI Mitsubishi Mitsubishi DP-101 Naim Naim CD-5i Naim CD555 Onkyo Onkyo C7030 Onkyo C-S5VL (SACD/CD) Onkyo-DV SP800 Oppo Oppo BDP- players (TOC only) Pioneer Pioneer DV-656A Rega Rega Apollo Rotel Rotel RCD-1072 Sony Sony SCD-X501 (SACD/CD) Technis Technics SL-P555 (New addition) Technics SL-PD8 (New addition) Yamaha Yamaha cdx-397 mk2 DACs Benchmark DAC 1 Pre Cambridge Dacmagic 2 Mk.II Chord Hugo Reimyo DAP-777 Feel free to bump the thread adding your own findings, please There must be more players that can't decode pre-emphasis. Anyone?
