Listenin' to Classical Music and Conversation

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by bluemooze, Feb 22, 2017.

  1. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

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    Virginia
    I'm of the opinion that the Cleveland and Boston orchestras in the early '70s were at least the equal of any in the world. I can't base this on actually hearing every orchestra live (who can?), but on the recordings I have from that period. The achievement of Szell with the Cleveland Orchestra (late '60s-70) and what I've heard of Boston in the early '70s (before Ozawa) is truly remarkable. I'm not taking away from anything done by the RCO, BPO, or VPO--all excellent--but I believe the two U.S. orchestras at that time could stand toe-to-toe with them. Some of this depends, of course, on who was on the podium at any particular time. ;)
     
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  2. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    Strongly :agree:.
    I would never think the US will ever win the (soccer) World Cup, at least not in my lifetime ...
     
  3. Wes H

    Wes H Forum Resident

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    Virginia
    Listening to CD30 from the complete Haydn Symphonies box set by Adam Fischer and the Austro-Hungarian Haydn Orchestra on Brilliant.
    Playing Symphonies 96, 97, and 98.

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  4. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Frenchtown NJ USA
    Now streaming on Amazon, a first listen to "Max d'Ollone - Melodies Volume 2" performed by Elsa Maurus (mezzo), Didier Henry (baritone) and Patrice d'Ollone (piano) on Maguelone.

    Max d'Ollone 1875-1959. My first listen to this French composer.

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  5. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    This is clearly a US/EU divide and I don't think it's any use to discuss this further, I stand by what I said before :)
     
  6. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    CT, USA
    I just checked, BSO with Charles Munch and Colin Davis represent the bulk of my BSO recordings ...
     
  7. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Frenchtown NJ USA
    Now streaming on Amazon, a first listen to "Ascanio Maione (1570-1627) : Capricci napoletani" performed by Michele Deverite on Arion.

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  8. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    I have owned this Complete Haydn Symphonies set for over ten years but cannot say I am emotionally connected with these recordings ...
     
  9. Soulpope

    Soulpope Forum Resident

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    (CD RCA Red Seal BMG Classics German Press RD87987) 1989 .... Rudolf Firkusny is adamant part of my classical pianist`s pantheon and this all Martinu program is nothing short of stellar .... btw splended sounding CD ....
     
  10. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    I like Firkusny, a terrific pianist!
     
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  11. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    Same here - I have the Munch/BSO box and the Davis/BSO Sibelius cycle is my first choice of all his Sibelius recordings.
     
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  12. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    A great pianist, but unfortunately I don't have many of his recordings. Rudolf Firkušný's Leoš Janáček set is a favourite.
     
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  13. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    I never bought the Munch/BSO box as 86 CD's are a bit much for me ...
     
  14. Soulpope

    Soulpope Forum Resident

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    Vienna, Austria
    I strongly tend to believe that Rudolf Firkušný's both Leoš Janáček and Bohuslav Martinu recordings for RCA belong to his best (recorded) achievements ....
     
  15. J.A.W.

    J.A.W. Music Addict

    I don't have his Martinů recordings, so I wouldn't know :).
     
  16. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    CT, USA
    I bought the following box a while back and IIRC, there are quite a few piano concertos recordings where Firkusny was the pianist. PSO (Pittsburgh) was a force to be reckoned with during the Steinberg years ...

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  17. Bubbamike

    Bubbamike Forum Resident

    His Emperor with Steinberg is excellent and underrated. I think it was the first one I listened to and I'm imprinted on it. I think it was originally on Capitol and is owned by Warner now.
     
  18. julesd68

    julesd68 Forum Resident

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    London, UK
    I've just had a quick scan of my vinyl and can only find three recordings with American orchestras. It's not that I go out of my way to avoid them, but of course the European recordings are more plentiful and highly reviewed here.

    I have two very nice Colin Davis BSO Sibelius symphony lps and then a Giulini CSO Dvorak 9 which is sadly just about unplayable with its very harsh later DG recording.

    The notion about how an orchestra gains and maintains a reputation is an interesting one. Undoubtedly the Berlin Phil were a top orchestra under Karajan and other conductors. Not so with Rattle in my experience. I saw them several times in recent years and was utterly dissapointed each time to find them trading in former glories. My biggest mistake was seeing an entire Sibelius Symphony cycle at the Barbican. These symphonies are truly magical in the right hands but they managed to suck the life right out of them. I found it a very 'technical' performance, tedious and totally lacking in passion. I was actually bored and I adore Sibelius! I would prefer to see any of the leading London orchestras. Or maybe not, now that Rattle is with the LSO. :doh:

    I have never been to see the Vienna Phil but the live televised performances I have seen at New Year or the Schonbrunn Palace have been the polar opposite to the recent Berlin Phil. You can see and hear the individual musicians totally immersed in the music and playing with such spirit and passion. Now that is an orchestra I would happily travel to see. :agree:
     
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  19. scompton

    scompton Forum Resident

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    I don't have his Martinu and I'm a fan of the composer. I like his Janacek a lot so I need to check out the Martinu.

    I heard the first Martinu I don't care for that much this year and for some reason, I just listened to samples before I bought it. A mistake I hope not to repeat in the future. Fortunately, it's the only such mistake I've made in a few years. It's the works I don't care for, not the performance.

    Martinu: Cantatas by the Prague Philharmonic Choir conducted by Lukas Vasilek


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  20. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Frenchtown NJ USA
    Now streaming on Amazon, a first listen to "Duo Sonidos" performed by Adam Levin (guitar) and William Knuth (violin) on DuoSonidos.

    Works by Piazzola, De Falla, Morales-Caso and Brotons.

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  21. DeepFloyd11

    DeepFloyd11 Lady Eclectic

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    Pretty amazing!
     
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  22. Joe F

    Joe F Forum Resident

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  23. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    CT, USA
    I have a few hundred recordings by Colin Davis but only three by Simon Rattle. Rattle does not do much for me. I also have a decent number of recordings by Boult and Barbirolli ...
     
  24. ubertrout

    ubertrout Forum Resident

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    Washington, DC
    It may be a matter of preferences. They're all very good orchestras, obviously. And things were shifting a bit...immediately postwar and through the 50s I think the top American orchestras were pretty obviously superior to the European ones - money was everywhere to pay musicians and make recordings, many of the refugees living in America chose to stay, etc. Things started shifting back towards the prewar state in the 60s and 70s, although I still think the Cleveland and Boston orchestras in the immediate post-Szell/Munch period were riding high indeed, and the European ensembles were still in the final stages of recovery.

    Regardless, I think we can agree that if one had to choose nine of the top orchestras in the world circa 1973, neither Cleveland nor Boston was in any way an unusual pick?
     
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  25. bluemooze

    bluemooze Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Frenchtown NJ USA
    Now streaming on Amazon, a first listen to "Philippe Verdelot: Madrigals for a Tudor King" performed by Alamire on Obsidian.

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