Listenin' to Jazz and Conversation

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Lonson, Sep 1, 2016.

  1. dzhason

    dzhason Forum Resident

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    Well, if you ever feel like trying some more Bird, this set will get you pretty much covered:

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    I have this and one other anthology of his Verve recordings, but the one above is what I really wore out. Birds' tunes can put a smile on my face like no other. More than anyone else I can think of, it feels like he is speaking through his horn in words, phrases & paragraphs that build up to stories. Tunes like Moose the Mooch, Dewey Square, Yardbird Suite, Red Cross, Billie's Bounce, Relaxin' at the Camarillo, Scrapple from the Apple... I feel kinda giddy when I listen to them they're so good.
     
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  2. Erik B.

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    Which Dead CDs ?
     
  3. Crispy Rob

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    That period is great. I'd highly recommend the complete Cellar Door sessions release, but I think it would be an even better idea (and a mistake not to do so) to get really familiar with Live/Evil first, which is such a great distillation of those shows (plus a couple short studio tracks). As I know you are getting big into the Dead, I remember a couple different interviews where Phil Lesh and/or Garcia mentioned Live/Evil as a big influence on them. Anyway, when I heard those interviews, Live/Dead was out of print and I didn't hear it until it was reissued sometime in the mid-90s. I really enjoyed it and got to know it well, and it probably made me appreciate the Complete Cellar Door set more when it came out 10-15 years later. Or you could ignore this and just dive deep into the Cellar Door set and be perfectly fine, but approaching things from a historical perspective might be interesting.
     
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  4. dzhason

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    I picked up both Live-Evil and Cellar Door several months ago, and I've prettt much been doing just that. I've listened to Live-Evil a couple of times but have been waiting for the right moment to bust in to Cellar. Live-evil is cool for its collage aspect of creating new pieces working with the raw Cellar material, but the edits often cut away from something just when I'm really starting to get in the zone on a particular thing, so I'm stoked to get into the unedited performances at some point.

    Note: it was really difficult to keep myself from typing Live/Dead instead of Live-evil above.
     
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  5. dzhason

    dzhason Forum Resident

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    The other day I picked up, on CD:
    Dick's Picks nos. 8, 16, 33 and 36

    And vinyl (MFSL):
    Wake of the Flood
    In the Dark
     
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  6. jlrchrds

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    Yes and unless you are REALLY dedicated to hearing every single start and stop, I would stop with the master takes. I have all the complete Bird sets. I ended up ripping them so I could listen to only master takes in the end. For me, there's just too much good music to focus on ever false start and stop. I love mosaic sets, but have come to the same conclusion. My two cents. Jeff

    Btw, those Master takes are musical nirvana. More so the dial and savoy than verve. Unfortunately bird's overall health was in serious decline by the time he moved to verve.
     
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  7. hockman

    hockman Well-Known Member

    Yes, I agree. When I was younger (& more naive!), more was better - all the alternates, false starts, discarded takes, breakdowns etc. They are just tedious to listen to. More often than not, the master takes were chosen for good reason although some times the alternate takes were different enough to merit consideration.

    These days I just want the master takes. I tend to avoid boxes or sets that contain multiple takes or studio conversations. These things are fine for the serious musician/student but not for me.

    With box sets, the completist/collector in me desires them. But truth be told, I think I enjoy listening to the original albums more.
     
  8. dzhason

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    I was considering getting the Miles Freedom Jazz Dance Bootleg Series with all the session reels, but I figured I'd probably only listen to the outtakes once just to see what it was like and decided not to. It's on Apple Music so, it's perfect, if I ever feel so inclined, I can check it out to satisfy my curiosity and I'll be set.

    I definitely listened mostly to the Dial and Savoy; there was some good stuff on the Verve, but other than Charlie Parker with Strings (which I don't mind jazz with strings, btw) I can't recall the titles of anything... I think maybe Segment was one tune in particular on Verve I listened to a lot.
     
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  9. jeffmo789

    jeffmo789 Standing On A Beach

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    Very interesting story about another era.
     
  10. jeffmo789

    jeffmo789 Standing On A Beach

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    One of my favorite scenes of the original series is the episode where Spock is playing a traditional Vulcan instrument and Uhura is singing along!
     
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  11. jeffmo789

    jeffmo789 Standing On A Beach

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    My dad was drafted but rejected due to flat feet. Most of the guys in his group did not make it back home. It does feel a bit like the lottery that I'm even here.
     
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  12. jlrchrds

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    I have a ton of the mosaic sets. I'm kind of a completist, but honestly with the mosaic sets it's more about the sound quality and the books. My Lord I love those books. Those books are like A treasure trove of lost lore. I realize you can buy most of them from Mosaic for $20. I've ordered a few of them, without having the CD collections or LPs. That might seem weird but to me they are just fantastic
     
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  13. Tribute

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    And there were hundreds of turns of chance (or fate) in each of our parents' lives that led to us posting on this forum. My Mom sometimes talks about the World War II mixer dance when her employer brought 100 young ladies to a Navy dance. She told her girlfriend, "I'll take the dark-haired one". He became my Dad.
     
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  14. Lonson

    Lonson The Unbooted Character, square and going nowhere Thread Starter

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    "My Brother the Wind Vol. 1" the new, expanded, reissue on Cosmic Myth out this week.

    I was away from home all day yesterday traveling to and from and visiting one of my sister-in-laws in Narwalk, OH and this package was left on my porch by UPS before a heavy downpour of rain occurred. Though the digipak was sealed. . . it was soaked and falling apart. Even the underside of the cd was soaked. So I ordered a new copy and am listening to the CD but can't read the notes or discographic info.

    This is very different from Vol. 2 which I have on Evidence. . .very free jazz and freaky Moog. Sound is very good, which is what I expect going forward with these new reissues from the Sun Ra archives.
     
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  15. Psychedelic Good Trip

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    Just dug this box out of storage. Forgot I had this love the extras and the blue vinyl sounds great.


    Kind of Blue 50th Anniversary
    Collector's Edition
    Audio CD | LP (12" album, 33 rpm), Extra Tracks, Box Set



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  16. Aura

    Aura Well-Known Member

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    NP: Kenny Dorham - Matador

    Liberty Japan 2010 CD. I really dig this title even more with every listen. The Dorham / McLean horn combo is a great match.

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  17. Lonson

    Lonson The Unbooted Character, square and going nowhere Thread Starter

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  18. Tribute

    Tribute Forum Resident

    What era is that one? I missed it. Japan?
     
  19. Lonson

    Lonson The Unbooted Character, square and going nowhere Thread Starter

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    Japan, 1982. Also on cd from Japan.

    Helen Merrill - Affinity

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  20. Kevin Davis

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    There is a point about 26-27 minutes into "Dark Star" on Dick's Picks 36 where the spirit of electric Miles becomes almost incarnate -- one could be forgiven for assuming Chick Corea had come and kicked Keith off the keyboard stool. A great moment.
     
  21. alankin1

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    Loudon Wainwright IIISo Damn Happy — Live (Sanctuary Records)
    — With Van Dyke Parks, Richard Thompson, Martha Wainwright, David Mansfield, a.o.; recorded live at Largo in West Hollywood, CA & Mystic Theater, Petaluma, CA in 2002.

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  22. Aura

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    NP: RVG 1999 CD of this 1965 title - Lee Morgan - The Rumproller

    Though I'm more partial to Morgan / Shorter dates, this is another great horn match: Morgan / Henderson.

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  23. alankin1

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    Kirk Knuffke & Jesse StackenMockingbird: The Music Of Thelonious Monk & Duke Ellington (Steeplechase Records)
    — trumpet & piano duets; recorded live at Bloomingdale School of Music, NYC.

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  24. Stu02

    Stu02 Forum Resident

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    One of the things I find interesting about this thread is the patterns I see in it. For instance I find most of us will sometimes get lost in an artist perhaps not even fully aware of it such as Lonson's charming inability to move on from his current Merrill fix , and it's all here to see. ( I relate to this well as this is generally how I listen to music) Or how like a flock of sheep one topic leads to a flurry of posts on a topic but then the topic gets dissected and turned over in a multitude of perspectives.
    Pardon my indulgence here but I've been mulling over why this thread is more interesting then most others for me.
     
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  25. Stu02

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    So speaking of getting lost in an artist. I shamefully only started really listening to Lester Young a few years ago , yes really... I'm sorry :hide:
    For me he is All consuming. His understated passion just wallops you but unexpectedly ( as if from behind ) over and over again. No showboating , just the pain of living put in front of you in a simple 'matter of fact it's like this' kind of way.
    I always admire restraint in any form of art. I remember seeing a play when I was young -The Crusible- wherein the husband of the persecuted woman barely said a word or moved his body yet he embodied rage in a frightening way ... somehow... it was all so subtle yet so real. Like Lester.
    What started out for me as an occasional listen has turned into a - I can't get him off the stereo - habit
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