New Order - BBC Radio | Live in Concert (in 1987), released in 2000 (at least the CD I have) OK, apologies up front to those (two) of you for whom this is your favorite New Order document, but -- seriously -- I cannot fathom why this was ever released. Bernard Sumner's pitch (singing) problems here are cringe worthy to the extreme. And I'm not trying to rag on Sumner as a vocalist -- I've looked up a bunch of live clips of him (on Youtube) and verified that although he does become a little pitch-challenged in live contexts at times, the problem normally isn't as pervasive as on this BBC recording -- which to be frank, is just laughable. And I've got a good handful of New Order studio material (and all three of Sumner's "Electronic" spin-off with Johnny Marr), so I am a fan. But I also know those pitch problems on this live date aren't just "artistic choices". I can't sing Pop music to save my life (nor Jazz), but I have sung (baritone) in a professional symphony chorus for over 10 years - so I do know a bit about singing. I've also heard great bands when their lead vocalist can't hear themselves because the monitor mix is SO bad. Couple key examples -- the Berlin stage (I think it was Berlin) at Live8 --- where it was clear that Chris Cornell (Audioslave) could hardly hear himself, and he was up to half a step flat (or even a whole-step flat, on the really high stuff) plenty of times -- cuz it was clear he was just singing from muscle-memory as much as anything. (But there were very few pitch problems on Audioslave's Cuba concert thing, though some of that could have been fixed in post-production.) In any case, on that same Berlin stage at Live8 (right after Audioslave, if I remember correctly), the lead-singer for 'a-ha' completely pulled out his monitor "ear plug-ins", and cupped his hand to his ear (maybe both hands to both ears -- I can’t remember which) in what was clearly a desperate attempt to hear himself better, so he could tune better. Obviously something was up with the monitor mix in Berlin at Live8, and the singing (and visual) evidence bears this out. So, getting back to this New Order BBC thing from 1987 -- Bernard Sumner sings as badly here as if there were barely any monitor mix available to him at all -- or maybe it WAS him (just bad singing, or he was chemically altered -- I'm not saying it was these things, but anything's possible). But why he sounds like he does here is less my issue. What I'm saying is... WHAT THE HELL WERE "THEY" THINKING WHEN THEY RELEASED THIS?? Maybe it was in the BBC archives, and the decision to release it later was completely outside of the band's control. Maybe anything the BBC broadcasts is fair game for future commercial release, no matter what anybody in the band or the band's management thinks after the fact (meaning the contracts are signed up front, before the concert even happens). Anybody know?? All I know is that this thing is REALLY bad. (And I also know that sometimes micro-tonality is just what some people do -- witness Jackie McLean's tone on alto, which is always sharp (often very sharp) -- and it's just what he does -- it's a stylistic choice that's part of his "voice". But I REALLY don't think that Sumner suddenly decided to have a Microtonal moment that night, as an artistic statement.) Discuss... And at the last second, I decided to expand this topic (reflected in the new thread title), so let's use this area to discuss other live recordings that have been released where the vocalists clearly have some major pitch problems, for whatever reason (forgivable, or otherwise).