Looking for RCA Interconnect Upgrade

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by avanti1960, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Chicago metro, USA
    A new source has greatly tested the quality of the interconnects I have on hand-
    Chord C-Line (veiled and unremarkable)
    Kimber PBJ (OK but too bright, a little edgy)
    Wireworld Luna 7 (very good but not the best I have)
    Audioquest King Cobra (the best of the bunch, but looking for a good step upward).

    So basically a bunch of entry level decent cables. I'm looking to notice a solid improvement if possible- under $500 for 1 meter. Thanks.
     
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  2. F1nut

    F1nut Forum Resident

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    Joe Abrams has some MIT Shotgun S1 interconnects listed on Audiogon for under $500.
     
  3. Ron Scubadiver

    Ron Scubadiver Well-Known Member

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    What's a new source? Sorry, but I am a cable skeptic.
     
  4. F1nut

    F1nut Forum Resident

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    So, it's coat hangers for you?
     
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  5. Ron Scubadiver

    Ron Scubadiver Well-Known Member

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    Gee wiz, maybe I can find something at Home Depot. The OP already has a bunch of good interconnects.
     
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  6. TheVU

    TheVU Well-Known Member

    DH Labs Air Matrix.
     
  7. Mr Bass

    Mr Bass Forum Resident

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    And how exactly have your interconnects been stretched to their limits and why isn't it the fault of the components or speakers?
     
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  8. If you don't mind a DIY, you can save some money and make a pair with Dueland Coherent Audio DCA16GA or DCA20GA tinned copper wire... it also makes great speaker wire too!

    Good article but warning... it's as long read.

    Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA
     
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  9. wwaldmanfan

    wwaldmanfan Forum Resident

    Anyone who spends $500 for three feet of wire should have his head examined.
     
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  10. Standingstones

    Standingstones Active Member

    I would suggest these two manufacturers: for lower cost, River Cable. For something more expensive, Audio Art Cables.
     
  11. F1nut

    F1nut Forum Resident

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    Since he stated he wanted something better they are obviously not good enough. He even described the characteristics of some. Yet, you being a self admitted cable skeptic still had to put your 2 cents in. This is helping avanti1960 how?
     
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  12. F1nut

    F1nut Forum Resident

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    I've spent a lot more than that, so what insult are you going to hurl my way?
     
  13. GuildX700

    GuildX700 Forum Resident

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    Sounds like OP is using cables as expensive tone controls.
     
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  14. wwaldmanfan

    wwaldmanfan Forum Resident

    My comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular, but if the shoe fits...
     
  15. F1nut

    F1nut Forum Resident

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    Well, in that case anyone who doesn't believe cables matter, that cables costing more than $500 aren't worth every penny and that every cable....in fact, every piece of gear is a tone control needs their head examined.

    How's that shoe fit?
     
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  16. F1nut

    F1nut Forum Resident

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    It's a shame some feel the need to dump on someone simply asking for a few suggestions.
     
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  17. fluffskul

    fluffskul Forum Resident

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    You should not discuss politics, religion, or interconnects if you wish for the conversation to remain friendly...
     
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  18. GuildX700

    GuildX700 Forum Resident

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    The problem is even if you believe the sonic stories about interconnects and their effects there is no real way to know what would work in your specific setup, you would have to continually swap in and out in some never ending quest to somehow "improve" your setup, and asking for recommendations on them has to be 10,000x worse than asking for speaker recommendations.

    I'm a firm believer in a well built cable that makes a good connection and rejects noise. Beyond that, I've never heard anything to make me decide otherwise. Now I'm sure there are some odd, exotic cables that play with electrical properties and will alter the sound, but a cable should NOT do that, that is NOT their job, it should be neutral and reject noise.

    Anything other than a neutral cable is simply just another way of adding some sort of a tone control. And at times a very expensive tone control at that.

    Now, for a turntable RCA interconnects, the total capacitance needs to be understood and known versus the cartridge being used.
     
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  19. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Tony, I hear the Empress by Grover Huffman is very good and he has a guarantee for under you budget. I've been happy with the other cables I've purchased from Grover so far.
     
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  20. timztunz

    timztunz "A Dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

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    I almost immediately dismiss the comments from anyone who either won't list their gear or hide it from other members.
     
  21. timztunz

    timztunz "A Dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

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    Interesting comment from someone who won't even share what gear they have.
     
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  22. Brother_Rael

    Brother_Rael Forum Resident

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    Go secondhand or NOS. I bought Atlas Navigators for £80 and Cord Chorus for £70. Both clocked in at over £200 reach at full price. Still got them now.
     
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  23. robertzombie

    robertzombie Forum Resident

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    I think spending the money on (more) room treatments would yield a greater increase in sound quality.
     
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  24. Jim13

    Jim13 Member

    Absolute Transmission Cables .
     
  25. Agreed, but that's not the thread topic.
     
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  26. Mitsuman

    Mitsuman Forum Resident

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    Can you say irony? :laugh:
     
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  27. Mitsuman

    Mitsuman Forum Resident

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    You and I seem to be typically like-minded, but on this one I'm going to have to say I don't totally agree. My experience over the last 3-4 years has caused me to change my mind regarding IC's. Being an engineer, I was a staunch supporter of "wire is wire" and current flow is current flow. I now have certain interconnects that I pair with certain devices, especially CD players and preamps. Now I don't run $500+ IC's, and I think there is certainly a point of diminishing returns that occurs rapidly above a certain price point, but I am a believer in IC's making a difference.
     
  28. wwaldmanfan

    wwaldmanfan Forum Resident

    I'm not hiding anything. I've been a contributor to the Computer Audiophile forum for four years. I use the same screen name and avatar over there, and all my audio equipment is listed.

    I have experimented with many different digital audio cables, analog interconnects, speaker cables, and power cables. I am convinced that boutique cables that sell for hundreds of dollars are a waste of money. You are better off spending your hard-earned cash on better components. YMMV, but you are not altruistic for recommending expensive cables to someone who does not know any better. Perhaps they make subtle differences on a five-figure system, but someone with that kind of equipment would not be asking anonymous strangers for blind recommendations here.

    2012 MacBook Pro i5/8gb RAM/120gb SSD running OSX 10.9.5 and Audirvana Plus, Kimber Kable Cu USB, NAD M51 DAC/digital preamp, Kimber Kable Hero interconnects, NAD C 275 BEE stereo power amp, Furez 10AWG speaker cable, B&W CDM7SE speakers, Sennheiser HD 600 headphones, Tripp-Lite 14AWG SJT power cables.
     
  29. mreeter

    mreeter Well-Known Member

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    Columbia, MO. USA
    My former i/c's were all Audioquest King Cobra. I demoed a set of MIT Shotgun S1 i/c's and Speaker Wires, and thats all it took.

    I have everything but my Tonearm Wire (table to phono stage) hooked up with the Shotgun S1's. I have a pair of Audio Sensibility Phono Cables (OCC copper and OCC silver) + Audio Sensibility for my tonearm cable. (this cable has a must smoother, yet detailed tone than the King Cobra did in this spot).

    Their Statement Cable would be an excellent choice also Interconnects (OCC copper and OCC silver) + Audio Sensibility

    Check out their offerings, a very good cable at a reasonable cost when comparing the US dollar to Canadian Dollar exchange rate.
     
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  30. GuildX700

    GuildX700 Forum Resident

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    So, lets take a a manufacturer's well designed integrated amp, now we split it into 2 separates, a preamp and amp but still identical to the original single unit in all electrical ways, and to make things as close to the integrated as possible the power supply remains the same but a simple connection from the preamp to the amp is provided to power the preamp from the power amp's power supply section which is identical to the original design of the integrated unit.

    So, in essence we have the exact same thing electrically with the only change being just a power supply cable for the preamp and now we also need a left and right RCA interconnect to connect the preamp to the power amp.

    Now, do we really believe we can now tinker to "improve" the sound by using the "right" interconnects? Or is the connection "right" by making it as simple as possible just like the original connection between the 2 units by trying to mimic the original connection inside the integrated amp between it's power amp section and preamp section which would most likely be some short traces on an IC board.

    Take that theory one step further and let us build an integrated amp with a built in CD player, when we split that unit out into 3 separates are we now going to again "improve" the sound by selection of another set of RCA interconnects?

    The logic of using interconnects to "improve the sound" is seriously flawed, which one IS doing in altering the sound if said design of chosen interconnects changes that simple connection point of transmission of the signal by the interconnects being made in such a way that they now act as a filter/tone control or such which alters the signal.
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2017
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  31. GuildX700

    GuildX700 Forum Resident

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    I really would like to know exactly what a "a much smoother, yet detailed tone" is? Can it be measured? It should be able to be measured as it must be altering the electrical signal in some way, shape, or form.
     
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