Looking for RCA Interconnect Upgrade

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by avanti1960, Apr 20, 2017.

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  1. OnTheRoad

    OnTheRoad Not of this world

    These threads just make me feel like such a minion.

    I found some monster cables at Goodwill for $2.99 that I think are pretty good....and to realize these aren't even 1% of the cost of what the OP is looking for....well.......

    There's all this talk out there about the top 1%....well hell....what about the bottom 1% ?



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    That's me ! :rolleyes:
     
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  2. murphythecat

    murphythecat https://www.last.fm/user/murphythecat

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    I tried your method for a while.
    I couldnt detect the 20$ IC from the 500$ ICs. I couldnt reliably tell which was playing.

    I want to hear a difference, but I try as much as I can, I hear not a single difference. I may hear slight tonal change but this might be placebo.

    all I know is that Id happily make a bet that nobody could reliably distinguish any of my ICs in a blind test, yet alone be able to find characteristic to each of them. I mean, people go on and desribe the difference between cables like it makes substantial changes. I hear none and I consider my methodology basically superior then any other methodology. if you dont have a AB test for fast switching between cables, all differences heard are imagined and placebo.
     
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  3. F1nut

    F1nut Forum Resident

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    Well, my suggestion was different than what you just did.
     
  4. murphythecat

    murphythecat https://www.last.fm/user/murphythecat

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    how many hours do you suggest? days? how can the difference between two cable take days to assertain?

    ill just leave this subect be as I have no personal interest in this cable debate: I tried for myself and came to my own conclusions.
     
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  5. jupiterboy

    jupiterboy Forum Residue

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    To my thinking, the audio chain works as a complete system and it takes a moment to settle in any time a change is made
    Oddly, in a quick switching comparison, the familiarity heuristic may be the dominant bias.
     
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  6. pdxway

    pdxway Forum Resident

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    Curious, what songs did you use for comparison?
     
  7. murphythecat

    murphythecat https://www.last.fm/user/murphythecat

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    yes, I tried all sorts. switching every 5 seconds, every 45, every 2 minutes. every two tracks.
    no matter what, I couldnt say which cable im listening to. I cannot say and could never say oh this is cable 4, and this is cable 1. they all sound so close to each other that its a bit laughable to try to find differences.
    lets just say its enough for me to not spend a dime more at this point an wont chase 1k ICs nor 1k speaker cable
    very well produced stuff, mostly some vocal jazz, some rap, electronica, indie stuff like radiohead or bon iver and Coltrane most of the time.
     
  8. pdxway

    pdxway Forum Resident

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    Hmm, I am just curious. What if you do this with your speakers instead of headsets? Can you hear any difference at all? For example, sound field height, width, and depth?
     
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  9. Rolltide

    Rolltide Forum Resident

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    What's "laughable" is the fact you must have a physical problem with your ears if you can't tell the huge differences in cables. Seriously, are you going to see a doctor? It could be a sign of a larger problem with your health.
     
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  10. murphythecat

    murphythecat https://www.last.fm/user/murphythecat

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    yes, thats the next step. ill compare with speakers later tonight

    I have mild tinnitus so recently my hearing have been tested and I have perfect hearing
    and my friend also have the same conclusion, so is my GF
     
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  11. saturdayboy

    saturdayboy Forum Resident

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    so what if the components are fine, but the interconnects one is using have "flaws"?
    wouldn't that necessitate a change in cables?
    or is that not possible in your opinion?
     
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  12. timztunz

    timztunz Audioista

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    Nor should you be.
     
  13. Thorensman

    Thorensman Forum Resident

    All a cable does is convey the relevant data.
    It sounds like all cables are working well.
    Install a £100 cheap CD player and you will
    Hear a difference for the worse usually.
    Try changing cables. You cannot make that £100 player
    Sound like the expensive one. All the cable does is transfer data.
     
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  14. royzak2000

    royzak2000 Senior Member

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    No you won't but you can make sound better than it does.
     
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  15. GMcGilli

    GMcGilli Forum Resident

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    Ha I know what you mean. When I bought my Sony HAP and my speakers - the guy asked what cables I had and I said I din't have any so he just threw a spool of Monster cable in with the deal which was nice since that meant I didn't have to go to Home Depot like I usually do and buy their cable off the giant spools.

    That's why threads like this - minus all the thread crapping - are interesting to me. I like reading about peoples experience with stuff I'd never be able to afford - which is why the hardware section on this forum is so awesome!
     
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  16. jupiterboy

    jupiterboy Forum Residue

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    Confirmation of your perception (particularly without verbal prompting) can be a good sign you are right. It also means your fussing with things is not benefiting the house beyond yourself.
     
  17. DrZhivago

    DrZhivago Hedonist

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    Who's the guy in the red beanie, holdin you?

    :D
     
  18. CoolJazz

    CoolJazz Forum Resident

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    Cults used to hang out around airports. When you're in a cable cult...I guess you'd hang around suspension bridges....
     
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  19. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    This thread was started because of the HAP-Z1ES player. Cable differences are easy to hear when the Sony (and likely other hi-resolution) source.
     
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  20. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    The king cobras sound the best by far (and really nice) out of any of the cables mentioned in the beginning.
     
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  21. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    After the experiences I have had, the idea that cables affect sound quality isn't even a question any longer- it is a given.
    Often the differences aren't even subtle, in fact some cables affect sound more blatantly than vacuum tubes.
     
  22. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

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    I think you need time, not "instant" comparisons.

    Play music through interconnect #1. For a day or even two.

    Play music through interconnect #2. For a day or even two.

    Then you would be able to determine what you enjoyed more.

    I did this, initial happiness with detail or whatever made me think they were a superior interconnect faded as I realized I was missing midrange. Then in IC #2 I got the midrange back (sort of) and heard fuller bass but I was missing the detail.

    Try it! :)
     
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  23. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    absolutely. speakers should be more revealing of the differences
     
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  24. murphythecat

    murphythecat https://www.last.fm/user/murphythecat

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    i bough three of the 6 cables I have here on test, I wont sell my kimber hero, analysis plus nor my audioquest water, it makes me happy to have them in my system, but its very hard for me to hear any discernable difference between them. oh well, maybe I dont have a good enough source...

    its easy to believe that analog cables are easily discernable but so far, I havent found a A-B test that seem to support this belief. everyone seem to fail at AB testing of cables and I sure would fail as well. ive been comparing all day a 3 m long 20$ IC and a 1m audioquest water at 500$, I cannot distinguish them. Often I think its the audioquest playing and its the cheap IC.

    im curious what is your methodology to test cables.
     
  25. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

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    Again - time. Play music for days and then switch. Worked for me. :)

    Don't forget that power also counts for sound quality. If there is something running on the same circuit, turn it off and see if the SQ improves. Others report that music sounds better very late at night because the drain on the power grid is not as strong. This might affect your system.
     
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