well I'm pretty sure Iv'e narrowed down my choices between these integrated. like I said before in another thread I have a Yamaha RX-770 from the mid- 90's which is ok but just would like to get a newer integrated approx. $800-$900 range, no more. Iv'e pretty much read everything I could on the net about these integrated amps but was wondering if anyone has had a chance to hear these side by side. one thing is I don't need a DAC. I already have that covered. my speakers are the original Nola Boxers. I'm just a 2 channel man and listen to cd's and streaming music only. thanks for any help.