Max Fleischer's SUPERMAN "The Mad Scientist" (1941), the greatest VISUAL animated short in history?

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  1. Steve Hoffman

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    Disney's LEND A PAW won the Oscar but most people feel that this gem from Paramount should have won. The 10 minute long first Superman cartoon, animated, recorded and mixed at the Fleischer Miami Studio. Take a look and notice the amazing animation and layout. Breathtaking, and also breathtakingly expensive to produce. Paramount lost money on every one but the prestige was immense back in the day.

    I had the pleasure of seeing this classic projected on the big screen many years ago (from a true Technicolor original 35mm nitrate print) and the Burbank screening room was filled with animators from Disney who gave it a standing ovation when it was over.

    Just a reminder to some of you, um, younger SH Forum members, this is entirely hand drawn on paper, both backgrounds, effects and characters. Transferred to cells and photographed one drawing at a time, almost 80 years ago. No computers.

    I would be remiss if I didn't mention the great (but unknown to you) Steve Muffatti, the great Fleischer Studios animator who gave Superman his screen look. He drew (by himself) the entire opening sequence of the cartoon.

    He was a genius.

     
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  2. benjaminhuf

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    Yes, this is an amazing animated short....
     
  3. action pact

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    I love those Fleischer Superman shorts.
     
  4. captainsolo

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    Arguably the greatest animated short ever, the Flesichser/Famous studios Superman is to me still the definitive rendition of the character.

    Now if only we could get a corrected HD release...because of errors in the WB restoration you have to stick with the old Bosko DVD.
     
  5. Reader

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    That is a wonderful piece of film and I would love to see the whole series restored and released as a bluray. Wonder if that will ever happen? Steve, you are doing the "younger readers" a service by showing this and some of the other films you occasionally comment on. I'm not sure how deep your interest in animation goes but there have been some great things upgraded and made available in the past couple years. You and your children might enjoy the 2 Betty Boop blurays released recently, here's a link:

    http://www.amazon.com/Betty-Boop-Es...qid=1389553026&sr=1-2&keywords=betty+boop+blu

    I have enjoyed these as much as about anything in the last couple months. The picture quality is much better than available before, including the laserdiscs. Enjoy.
     
  6. PNeski@aol.com

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    Warmers never spent the money to restore these ,like the Looney Tunes ,because of them being PD

    "because of errors in the WB restoration you have to stick with the old Bosko DVD." I don't agree ,the bosko dvds are ok but way too windowboxed
     
  7. Steve Hoffman

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    Olive Oyl has to be the worst girlfriend in cartoon history.
     
  8. Gary

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    Pretty cool! It's amazing what they could do back then!
     
  9. Excellent work, but I prefer this one - it's all a matter of taste, after all...:)

     
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  10. sparkydog

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    I don't know, Steve. Lois Lane was pretty horrible too. I partially blame Superman/Clark for putting up with her constant crap.

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  11. Vidiot

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    I'm a bigger fan of "Mechanical Monsters," but I'm not sure if I could say either one was the best short ever made:



    This basic idea has been used in a hundred movies made after this Superman cartoon.

    One secret to the Fleischer shorts is that some of them are heavily rotoscoped, where they shoot the human actors and then trace them onto animation cells over time. This accounts for the uncanny realism in the characters' faces. But they had a great sense of balance, beautiful design, and color, and their animation seriously rivaled the best of Disney's artists at the time.
     
  12. Steve Hoffman

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    I love when we can hear the "tone" of the soundtrack when the academy roll-off is removed. The mixer at Flesicher in Miami can be clearly heard manipulating the levels of the music, voice track and efx track because of their high signal to noise ratio. Fascinating.
     
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  13. Dan C

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    I love the Fleischer stuff. Such an incredible sense of design. Beautiful.

    Their animation rivaled the Hollywood big boys, but I wonder if they had to cut costs on the musical side of things. Playing isn't nearly as full and tight as on Disney, WB and MGM shorts.

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  14. Dan C

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    Two things I wonder after watching these shorts. Why did Metropolis have such a stronghold on the mad scientist market, and why did the Daily Planet seem to employ just two reporters yet own that massive skyscraper. I'm sure it's been converted to condos by now....and I bet they actually only have two reporters (who also take photos and video and blog and Tweet).

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  15. Luke The Drifter

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    What is the recommended version of these on DVD? I have a 2 year old son, and I need these in my collection immediately.

    Thanks
     
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  17. Vidiot

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    WB has an official Studio release, and it doesn't get better than that.
     
  18. Steve Hoffman

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    Two things. Local Miami, FLA musicians with half the players of the usual studio orchestra and the dead-as-a-doornail recording technique at Fleischer Studios.
     
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  19. Luke The Drifter

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    Here is an Amazon reviewer with possible issues:

    "The source materials Warner Bros. used on this set are in really rough shape. There are scratches throughout these films. Also, Warner expressed a real lack of quality control as the intros to most of these films have been altered. During the prologue of the first Superman short, there is an audio glitch. The line "Superman fights a never ending battle for truth and justice" is heard as "Superman fights a never ending battle for truth-justice". There are two cartoons that have the wrong prologue placed at the beginning. The cartoons "Eleventh Hour" and "Jungle Drums" borrow their prologue from the first Superman cartoon. Strangely, the audio glitch is not present in the prologue used for "Eleventh Hour" while it is present in the prologue to "Jungle Drums". The rest of the cartoons on this set have their correct prologues, but there are other audio issues. Many of the cartoons on this set have the incorrect Superman theme music playing over the opening credits, most notably on all of the Famous Studios shorts. "Japoteurs" borrows its opening credits music from "Electric Earthquake", you just have to listen as the title of the cartoon appears, you can hear the same sound effects heard over the title screen for "Electric Earthquake". The cartoons "The Magnetic Telescope", "Showdown", "Destruction, Inc", "The Mummy Strikes", "The Underground World" and "Secret Agent" have truncated music playing over the opening credits; basically by cutting the theme music short as the credits end before the entire piece of music accompanying it. As a result, the sound effects originally heard during the title screens for "The Magnetic Telescope" (an electrifying sound) and "Destruction, Inc" (an explosion) are gone. Lastly, only 3 cartoons have their original Paramount end logo, being "Superman", "The Arctic Giant" and "Electric Earthquake". However, there is a cut in the audio at the end of "Superman" as it fades to the Paramount end logo. Also, the other 14 cartoons on this set seem to have the end logo from "Superman" tacked onto them."

    I also read in a review they edited out Clark saying, "Isn't that a dangerous job for a woman?"

    On the Warner's it says, "Isn't that a dangerous job?"

    If that is true or not..I do not know.
     
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  20. billdcat

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    Popeye must have been out to sea for a long, LONG time .
     
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    What part of Popeye will never rust?
     
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  23. indy mike

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    Here's where the quote above came from: http://www.goldenagecartoons.com/reviews/2009/superman-01/

    The Warner set does have goofy things going on with the soundtracks. I don't know if the elements they used had problems, or folks just dropped the ball and goofed. My impression is that Warner didn't spend a fortune to restore them because they're in the PD. That said, these are the best looking versions of these I've watched - they're not washed out, the cartoons themselves haven't been cut up (Terror on the Midway typically is missing action from the beginning of the short, but it's intact here).

    Here's a nice extra from the Superman set Warner Bros put out:

    A thorough rundown of the Superman Fleischer shorts is located here: http://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/movies.php?topic=m-fleis2

    Another in-depth look at the Fleischer's masterwork: http://animatedviews.com/2009/max-fleischers-superman-1941-1942-dvd/
     
  24. gd0

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    "Oooh, this is embarrasskin'..."

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  25. Vidiot

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    I was gonna say, the sound quality is all mids -- no highs, no lows. Even in the 1940s, the state of the art of optical sound should be better than that.
     
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