Monarch Delta Numbers for LPs

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Frank Daniels, Oct 6, 2012.

  1. narkspud

    narkspud Forum Resident

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    Why do I find all the goofy ones?

    Dickie Goodman - Mr. Jaws and Other Fables - Cash CR-6000 - △20187
     
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  2. Raynie

    Raynie Hyperactive!

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    Police, The ‎– Reggatta De Blanc
    A&M Records ‎– SP-4792
    d-25434
    Small C on A&M logo. @W.B., do you know what the C means in this case?

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  3. W.B.

    W.B. The Collector's Collector

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    I can't say exactly what the 'C' stood for, but that letter was definitely the code for Monarch / ElectroSound Los Angeles pressings as seen on the labels of A&M product. Other letters signified the following plants:
    - B (ElectroSound Group Midwest, Inc., Shelbyville, IN)
    - R (RCA, Indianapolis, IN)
    - W (Columbia, Carrollton, GA)
    - X (Columbia, Pitman, NJ)
    - Y (Columbia, Terre Haute, IN)
     
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  4. Raynie

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    Thanks, this is the first I've seen of it.
     
  5. Raynie

    Raynie Hyperactive!

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    Supertramp ‎– Indelibly Stamped
    A&M Records ‎– SP-4311
    1971
    d-16265
     
  6. Arkoffs

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    here's an oddity:

    The Brian Alexander Robertson Radio Show. Labels are blank with a hand-stamped title on side one, no catalog number. It would be a promo-only Ardent label LP, essentially.
    Matrices:
    Side one: STXS-0644 AS-0533
    Side two: STXS-0645 AS-0534
    with a delta of 18289. Also signed by Larry Nix on both sides.

    It leaves me wishing Ardent had done one of these productions for Big Star. (though, I know they did a huge press pack for them at one point.)
     
  7. Frank Daniels

    Frank Daniels Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Does late 1973 make sense for the radio show? That's when it would fit into the chronology.
    You guys have been busy. I'll upload an update soon.
     
  8. Raynie

    Raynie Hyperactive!

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    My copy is 17690 on both sides. :shrug:
     
  9. Raynie

    Raynie Hyperactive!

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    John Braden s/t
    A&M SP-4172
    1969
    d-12970
     
  10. Frank Daniels

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  11. Arkoffs

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    Yeah, that is likely right. I wrote a review of the actual album five years ago now (!) for a column I do, and at the time 1973 was what I triangulated as the release year. I remember doing a lot of digging to look for info about the album at the time and saw no references to this promo LP. Pretty neat.

    spotted these in the wild over the weekend (didn't cross check the list to see if you have em already):
    Grass Roots, Golden Grass, ABC/Dunhill DS 50047, delta 12506
    Booker T & the MGs, Hip Hug Her, Stax S 717 (stereo), delta 10545

    and found this yesterday:
    Bee Gees, Cucumber Castle, Atco SD 33-327, delta 14596
     
  12. Frank Daniels

    Frank Daniels Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Had the Bee Gees album and had the mono release of Booker T, but we didn't have the Grass Roots album yet. Good spotting.
     
  13. Raynie

    Raynie Hyperactive!

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    B.b. King Lucille
    Bluesway
    D-12303

    B.b. King midnight believer
    ABC aa1961
    D-23266

    Otis spann
    The biggest thing since colossus
    D-14564
     
  14. Arkoffs

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    The Booker T above is the stereo version ... it's the delta number right after the mono one on the list. Just looked!
     
  15. Arkoffs

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    woah, here's a late one.

    Lulu, s/t, Alfa AAB-11006, delta 25220
     
  16. Fender Relic

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    I saw the David Jones on Colpix today as 8304/8304-x it's listed on the update file as 8401. Just wondering if that's a typo or are there two versions? Or maybe I'm remembering it wrongly.
     
  17. Raynie

    Raynie Hyperactive!

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    Ginger Baker's Air Force ‎– Ginger Baker's Air Force
    ATCO Records ‎– SD 2-703
    1970
    2xLP
    d-14597/8
     
  18. Frank Daniels

    Frank Daniels Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Yes, Jones is 8304 -- not 8301. I don't feel so bad, though, because you mistyped 8401 instead of 8301! :)
    Actually, I think I probably saw it in a matrix first, and the 4 looked like a 1. Then it showed up here, and I wasn't
    paying enough attention.
     
  19. Fender Relic

    Fender Relic Forum Resident

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    Good thing we can cross check each other ;-)
     
  20. Raynie

    Raynie Hyperactive!

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    Thunder ‎– Thunder
    ATCO Records ‎– ATCO SD 38-129
    1980
    d-24828
     
  21. Raynie

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    Mott The Hoople ‎– Rock And Roll Queen
    Atlantic ‎– SD 7297
    1974
    d-18730
     
  22. Sax-son

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    Keep them coming! I would like to see a comprehensive list someday.
     
  23. narkspud

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    Dr. Gerald S. Bash - The Ramparts We Watch - DesKant A-1000 - △14314

    Was helping a thrift store clean out their multi-year accumulation o' crap today. Saw lots of delta numbers, but we were going too fast to jot anything down. (I took a sealed copy of the above home with me. I'm a sucker for political stuff.)

    My point being, I don't think a truly comprehensive list is gonna happen, because today I saw delta numbers on foreign language, gospel, classroom LPs, organ music, polka compilations, vanity pressings, pretty much the entire Dot catalog, and assorted other random crap that I don't think anybody is ever going to collect - at least not anybody who gives a toot about delta numbers. We must do the best we can.

    If I hit the lottery in the next few weeks and can stop working altogether, I will return to the thrift store with a notepad and pencil.

    Totally irrelevant aside: I also spotted a late 1970s classroom LP on Educational Records that was a Microfusion pressing! You sure don't see those every day, especially when Cook Labs wasn't directly involved. Who the hell was running a Microfusion press in the late 1970s? And WHY?
     
  24. hominy

    hominy Digital Drifter

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    Mars Bonfire
    S/T
    Uni - 73027
    1968
    d 11921
     
  25. Frank Daniels

    Frank Daniels Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Narkspud, you'll find that most of the A&M catalog exists as Monarch pressings, too. That includes Ode. Much of the Vee-Jay and Elektra catalogs should exist as Monarchs. Can we ever find them ALL? There may be numbers that were never used. Can we find the majority of them? Possibly. We have already found enough Monarch numbers that should you locate a Monarch out there in the "wild" (thrift store), you can tell within a few weeks' time when the record came out. That was the original goal of the list.
     
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