Most recent truly great Bob Dylan song?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mshare, Jan 23, 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Independent Head

    Location:
    New Mexico USA
    I love/hate this post because that song is so great and because saying the last great song was in '78 is crazy talk.
     
  2. Rickchick

    Rickchick Forum Resident

    Location:
    PA
    In general, I agree with you completely on the song itself. I think it's one of his best songs.
     
  3. Lloyd

    Lloyd Forum Resident

    Location:
    Cleveland, OH
    As much as I love Blonde on Blonde, Blood on the Tracks, et al, when I really want to hear some Dylan I turn to the releases over the last 25 years or so. Hard to pick a single track, but maybe "I Feel a Change Comin' On," but there's so many.
     
    Jerryb likes this.
  4. GAW Jr.

    GAW Jr. Forum Resident

    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    My answer to the posed question is: "When the Deal Goes Down" from "Modern Times" 2006. Love it.

    Even Ringo Starr claimed it was one's his recent favorites by Bob.
     
  5. Wright

    Wright Forum Resident

    I agree with your point about showing rather than telling, but I don't think there's anything particularly Marxist about that line or the song as a whole. I like to see it as just a sequel to Merle Haggard's song, as the title suggests.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2015
  6. ManFromCouv

    ManFromCouv Employee #3541

    Dusquene Whistle.
     
    Hattipper, Jerryb and Moshe like this.
  7. Wright

    Wright Forum Resident

    Another vote for "Nettie Moore". Reminiscent of Faulkner.
     
    Carserguev, Moshe and Jerryb like this.
  8. Wright

    Wright Forum Resident

    Actually, it gets quite interesting if you think of the narrator is "Workingman's Blues #2" as the same person as in Merle Haggard's song, only 40 years later. After all, both characters voice the same chorus: "Sing a little bit of these working man blues."

    Also: Hag's character has nine kids and a wife, whereas Dylan's character has a brand new wife, suggesting he's been married before. Hmm...

     
  9. streetlegal

    streetlegal Forum Resident

    Another vote for "When the Deal Goes Down"

    Plus:
    "Cross the Green Mountain"
    "Tell Ol' Bill"
    "Ain't Talkin'"
    "Things Have Changed"
    "Moonlight"
    "This Dream of You"
     
    dylankicks likes this.
  10. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    To me the song is, in many ways, kin to "Stuck Inside of Mobile..." and I think as Crow recorded it that really comes across. I don't just like her rendition, I love it. And it's pretty rare for me to enjoy someone else's cover of a Dylan song that much. Of course her version was the first one the outside world ever heard too.
     
  11. Tim Wilson

    Tim Wilson Forum Resident

    Location:
    Kaneohe, Oahu, HI
    That's one of the reasons I think it's among his best pieces of music, ever. An astounding composition, without peer by anyone. Not that plenty of other people haven't created more dramatic or accomplished compositions along the way or anything, but this song sounds unlike anything else.

    Any love here for the Dixie Chicks version? It's very much a cover of Sheryl's version, rather than Bob's. I prefer Sheryl's, but I think there's more than enough room in the world for all three...although Bob's four versions are still tops with me.

    Speaking of Sheryl, though, I just came across a live version of hers that's got a great energy, and a cute story about Bob.

     
    Robin L likes this.
  12. revolution_vanderbilt

    revolution_vanderbilt Forum Resident

    Location:
    New York
    So many great songs listed (and some that I wouldn't consider "great.") But I'll just mention one that hasn't come up yet: Life Is Hard.
     
    Yorick and Mr. E. Tramp like this.
  13. Siegmund

    Siegmund Vinyl Sceptic

    Location:
    Britain, Europe
    Actually, I was wrong: I think his last GREAT song was Every Grain Of Sand, from 1981.

    He's written some very good ones since but that, imo, was the last real doozy.
     
    Stone Turntable likes this.
  14. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    Well, I wouldn't go anywhere near that far.

    As much as I love Dylan and think he's a genius and a towering figure in American letters, I have to admit his music never sounds to me "unlike anything else," including "Mississippi."

    Especially in his latter day work, but really throughout all of his career, he's basically done the same thing: take the shared stuff of American folk and popular (and even occasionally "high") culture -- civil war poetry, folk songs, blues songs, movie dialogue, etc -- and put in in a blender ultimately pouring out a brew that exists in a kind of eternal American present, that sounds contemporary and at the same time connected to deep streams that flow through the culture. But it almost never sounds "unlike anything else," especially musically -- in fact in part its magic is precisely that it sounds familiar -- and that includes with "Mississippi." A little diatonic melody and harmony built around a kind of walk-up (that little melody hook walk up is related to those kind of underlying harmony walk-ups he's used in all kinds of songs from "Like a Rolling Stone" to "Ring Them Bells" -- almost every song he's written on piano that's not a blues has some kind of diatonic walk like that --or sometimes down like with "Queen Jane Approximately," or a chromatic walk down like with "Make You Feel My Love"), a line borrowed from a folks song ("the only thing I did wrong was stay in Mississippi a day too long" from the prison song "Rosalee"), and Dylan's off to the races. What he does with that found stuff and readymade stuff and familiar stuff is astounding. But as a musical innovator, Stravinsky and Schoenberg he ain't; and "Mississippi" ain't The Rite of Spring or Pierrot Lunaire.
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2015
    lschwart and Driver 8 like this.
  15. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    That IS a great song, one of his greatest. But in the years since then I think he's written a lot of ones that are in the ballpark. If I had to make a list of the songs that I thought were Dylan's best, without worrying about ranking 'em hierarchically, "Jokerman," "Blind Willie McTell," "Ring Them Bells," "Dignity" (which is one of my all time favorites, and I think lyrically the type of songs maybe only Dylan could write), "Not Dark Yet," "Mississippi" even "Most of the Time" would make my personal list of contenders with the likes of "Like a Rolling Stone," "Every Grain of Sand," "Visions of Johanna," "Idiot Wind," "Tangled Up in Blue," "Just Like a Woman," "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues," "It's All Over Now Baby Blue," "Senior," and the like.
     
  16. Evan L

    Evan L Beatologist

    Location:
    Vermont
    Jokerman.
     
  17. Siegmund

    Siegmund Vinyl Sceptic

    Location:
    Britain, Europe
    I'm being serially over-hasty on this thread: Blind Willlie McTell is indeed a great song, and may even be his best song ever.
     
  18. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Senior Member

    The "Marxist" allusion to which I referred is his use of the word "proletariat," which, in the 21st century, sticks out like a sore thumb, and comes across as about as relevant to present-day concerns as the references to the "Reds" in "Talking John Birch Society Blues."

    The even larger problem with the song, as your post hints at, is that, in every way, it's a pale shadow of the Merle Haggard song that inspired its title.
     
  19. Crossfire#3

    Crossfire#3 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Burlington Vermont
    Early Roman Kings
     
    JL6161, bonus and Robin L like this.
  20. Brian Kelly

    Brian Kelly 1964-73 rock's best decade

    "Tweeter And The Monkey Man" on the TRAVELING WILBURYS first CD. "Dirty World" is a really fun song as well.
     
    Carserguev likes this.
  21. Hey Vinyl Man

    Hey Vinyl Man Another bloody Yank down under...

    That's the last one that really stopped me in my tracks as well.
     
    mshare likes this.
  22. Wright

    Wright Forum Resident

    Well, the term is older than Marx, and it's clearly being used as synonymous to "working class," which he probably avoided due to the semi-repetition it would have caused ("working class/working man"). I don't see how one word can constitute such a red flag (no pun intended), seeing as the song is just about poverty and hard times in general.

    Different as they are, I like the two songs about equally, Haggard's and Dylan's. The former is a classic, though, so that might give it a slight edge.
     
  23. Robin L

    Robin L Musical Omnivore

    Location:
    Fresno, California
    My favorite is the Tell-Tale Signs version of Mississippi, stripped down arrangement. One of Dylan's best and most generous couplets lies within:

    Well my ship’s been split to splinters and it’s sinkin' fast
    I’m drownin’ in the poison, got no future, got no past
    But my heart is not weary, it’s light and it’s free
    I’ve got nothin’ but affection for all those who’ve sailed with me

     
    fmfxray373, bonus, Rickchick and 4 others like this.
  24. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Senior Member

    However you want to categorize their take on the plight of the working man, Haggard's "Workingman's Blues" is a classic, I agree. Dylan's is not, at least not in my opinion.
     
  25. chervokas

    chervokas Senior Member

    Actually, my favorite take on this well-covered theme was Marty Stuart's from a couple of years ago. Never was
    terribly fond of the Dylan tune. I do kind of find the odd clunkiness of the Dylan tune endearing, and love "sleep is like a temporary death," but I'd hardly call it a great one. Not even sure I'd call it a good one. But it is an interesting one.

     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

molar-endocrine