I'm about to break down and join the dark side. I need to listen to music while I am working out on the Precor elliptical trainer and I like the idea of the smallish light weight player. I'm tired of lugguing around CDs or cassettes. Can anyone suggest a good one other than Apple's Ipod. I gave Apple enough money this year and last year with computer and software so I would be happy to get something else that is lower cost and not known to have battery issues and short life hard drive. Plus I will never pay for a downloaded song since I have enough music already. So I plan to never use itunes either. I had issues with my Apple products too which was a hassle. Is the Creative ZEN 8GB player considered a good choice? And if I am encoding at a high bitrate like 325kbs can I get away with a 4GB player? How many albums can I get on a 4GB HDD at 325kbs in mp3? Thanks in advance.