My thoughts on ESP loudspeakers

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  1. Steve Hoffman

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    I'm lucky. Because of the work I do I get offered free stereo gear all the time from kindly manufacturers who want me to endorse their products. I'm always willing to try something out but usually it goes right back. I'm pretty picky. I rediscovered ESP speakers in a different way. Back in the ancient '90's a friend who was the insurance rep for DCC Compact Classics had me over to his house to check out his new stereo which consisted of a Sony CD player, a VAC Renaissance 30/30 power amp and a pair of medium sized speakers by the name of ESP. I remember thinking at the time that the amp/speaker duo made a very pleasing sound, quite unlike the "in your face" razzle dazzle of most upscale audio gear being produced around that time. I filed that factoid in my brain. A few years ago I was giving a lecture at the Rocky Mtn. Audio Show in Denver and I wanted to check my music disc to see if it would play correctly. Noticing that there was an ESP room at the show I remembered the nice sound at Mark's house and just walked in the room and asked to use the system for a few minutes. Well, the ESP Bodhrans were in there and the Concert Fidelity electronics and I remember sitting there and thinking that this was a sound that I could listen to for hours at a time without getting my ears burned off. Now I have almost the exact system in my house courtesy of ESP and Concert Fidelity. Like I said, I'm lucky.

    I want give you a few thoughts on ESP Speakers.

    I wrote earlier about how the combination of my ESP Bodhran SE speakers and Concert Fidelity electronics have given me uncommon musical pleasure along with the subtle kind of harmonic, timbral and dynamic nuance I need to hear in my mastering work. (See article here....):

    http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=83356

    To get both of these at the same time is much rarer than most people think, so I’d to talk a little about it here, focusing on the ESP speakers. But first, I need to define “musicality,” a word which is so often misused but which definitely defines ESP.

    Words are tossed around in audio circles all the time without rigorous definitions. To a lot of over-analytic audiophiles, “musicality” can be a bad word, implying smoothing-over details in order to make a component easy to listen to. To others, “musicality” is totally subjective--whatever they like is termed “musical,” no matter how “hi-fi” it sounds. When I say a component is musical, I mean it manages to sound organically whole and seamless and has the ability to move air and convey emotion WITHOUT sacrificing the nuances of detail, harmonics, timing, and microdynamics; all essential for "lifelike reproduction of sound" (to use a J. Gordon Holt phrase). Friends, getting all of this right AT ONE TIME is a rare feat—many “hi-fi” components err on the side of an overly analytic presentation which dissects the music and loses that needed wholeness. Still other components err on the side of lush and smooth, lacking the nuance necessary to be ultimately satisfying—but it’s a feat the ESP’s perform, and especially in combination with world-class electronics like the Concert Fidelity stuff.

    I have heard Sean McCaughan’s (the designer of ESP) creations and met him on numerous occasions, both at the CES, Stereophile Show and at my house and he is a great guy who knows what he likes in the way of reproduced sound. I can definitely say that he is a different kind of speaker designer. I would almost describe him more as a design artist than as a technologist. Although he’s obviously knowledgeable and experienced in speaker design (dating back almost 30 years to when he designed on the Beveridge electrostatic team), he is a modest man who would much rather talk about MUSIC than about technology. He goes to a lot of concerts, and his focus is on building products that are timeless and intensely musical, rather than on writing white papers hyping the latest technology. I think his results really speak for themselves: A very palpable, spacious, dimensional, seamless, NATURAL sound, but with unlimited macrodynamics so the speakers can get up and rock if they have to (if you have the juice).

    His speakers incorporate some design features which are very different from today’s trends in speakers and they may be hard for some audiophiles to understand at first, since so many people are attracted to speakers that jump out and grab you immediately with tipped-up highs or bone-crunching bass, even if that’s not what real music sounds like. Sean always like to say that ESP’s are not technically “audiophile” speakers—they’re not pyrotechnic enough for many listeners and it’s true that ESP’s may not stand out at shows because there are just too many bright “hi-fi” systems all around to condition showgoers’ ears in the wrong way. Oftentimes, the people you’ll see hanging around the ESP room at shows are musicians and other true music lovers who know what music is supposed to sound like, not audio nerds or gearheads who are looking to hear this or that sonic artifact in a short sound-byte. Not that his speakers are an acquired taste, let me just say that you have to listen for more than a few minutes to let your ears get reaccustomed to a natural sound palate. I always hang out in the ESP room at a stereo show when I want to decompress from the wacky and go back to the lifelike. :) After 10 minutes with the ESP's, I'm calm again.

    Let me list several of the unusual things Sean does to achieve the sound he wants. Oh, by the way, these speakers really could be called labors of love by Sean, if they weren’t so time-consuming and backbreaking to build! A pair of Bodhran SE’s takes two weeks from start to finish, and a pair of Concert Grand SI’s takes longer! This is a true pain in the *** and only someone totally committed to getting an exact sound could do it.

    First, Sean angles the front baffles in by forty-five degrees, causing the on-axis sound from the two speakers to cross several feet in front of the listener. This leads to a very wide listening position, the first criterion for a speaker designed for natural music reproduction. No head-in-a-vise stuff here, but amazingly, the imaging is still solid and very dimensional.

    Another thing Sean does to achieve extra spaciousness is use aperiodically damped venting to release out-of-phase sound from the woofers and midrange out of the sides of the speakers. There is also a side-firing tweeter which is down in level and out of phase. This design feature makes the speakers almost like dipoles. They throw an unusually wide and deep soundstage, but without sacrificing the important solidity of the central image. In fact, their image solidity and dimensionality is rather unique and actually much better than what you get from most audiophile speakers. Sean says he is asked all time at shows if his speakers are electrostatics! Cracks him up.

    A third thing he does is use SEALED-BOX DESIGNS. The aperiodically damped venting is not the same as ports, and you will not hear any “boom” from Sean’s speakers. If the speakers are properly set up (and preferably spiked into concrete like mine are) you will hear very extended bass, but it is not the kind of port-induced artificial boom or slam that so many speakers resort to in order to get bass out of small cabinets. Yes, ESP’s are somewhat large for their frequency response. Sean designs speakers the old-fashioned way, with no gimmicks, but with the creative design touches mentioned above.

    The irony in all this is that ESP DO deliver all the craved-for audiophile goods like detail resolution and imaging and soundstaging—again, they’re absolute kings in terms of imaging and soundstaging—but in such a natural way that they don’t jump out and hit you over the bean. Anyone who thinks “musical” means sacrificing detail should hear what I’ve heard when I’ve switched electronics or cables or even vacuum tubes. In fact, I hear these changes even MORE on the ESP’s than on most speakers, and it’s really quite amazing to me how they can be so musically enjoyable and yet so resolving at the same time. That is true design art, and in my opinion, unique.

    The other night, Sean, Mike Verretto (US distributor) and I had a truly magical experience listening to some Frankie Sinatra on my ESP/Concert Fidelity system (a rare system in that I can use it for both mastering and listening). There was an extremely realistic and palpable presence to the sound, especially in the midrange, which put Frank scarily close to being in the room, even on this 1953 monaural recording. I even heard a french horn part that I hadn’t heard before on other systems. With my current ESP/CF system, I’m getting a lot more of that magic these days, and I’m too jaded to say that lightly. What is so addictive about the midrange is that it is very rich and tonally natural but also highly resolving, as long as the electronics are up to the job. On too many speakers, that palpability in the midrange seems to get lost in the quest to make the lows and highs stand out so that the speakers are more “impressive” and easier to sell. But even with their magical midrange, the ESP’s don’t sound bloated or chesty, which would happen if a less talented or sensitive designer tried to emphasize the midrange.

    One quirky thing about these speakers is that they do take some skill in setup. Because of their additional side-firing output, they are VERY sensitive to room placement but they do respond to minute care in placement as all great speakers should. Of course, friends and neighbors, I’m lucky to have had Sean himself visit my place to set them up properly, and when that setup is done right, the speakers completely disappear, which you would not expect from their large size. This allows them to sound equally as convincing on intimate jazz or chamber music as on Bad Company, Van Morrison or a giant orchestra playing something by Leroy Anderson (check out the great SACD on Mercury Living Presense).

    Like all good things in life, these speakers are not inexpensive ($16K for the Bodhran SE’s, which I have now, and $40K for their bigger brothers, the Concert Grand SI’s), but they are hand-built artisan products in which the designer himself is actively involved at every stage of design and production. They are speakers to last your lifetime (my insurance buddy still has his and he LOVES to change gear every few years) and worth the money. Heck, if you bought a Honda Civic you would spend 20 grand and have nothing in 6 years. Your ESP's on the other hand will still be going strong in 20.

    OK, blathering over, time to summarize:

    Speaker choice is highly personal, since speakers always have more “character” than electronics. But if you are looking for the same things I am: an organic, seamless, spacious, dynamic presentation, with lots of natural detail rather than the hyped-up “audiophile” kind; and especially, if you’re really interested in music rather than just sounds, go hear these beautiful babies!

    http://esploudspeakersna.com/welcome/index.html

    Here is a shot of ESP designer Sean McCaughan’ and I at CES with the larger ESP speakers. Note the pretty burled maple wood. I have the maple Bodhrans in my living room; very good WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor).
     

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  2. McLover

    McLover Senior Member

    Hi Steve,

    Nice product! Just don't have that much house to put it in. Although Ingrid don't mind. We have VAC Power Amps though in one of our systems. They are powering a Tannoy Dual Concentric system. This is the "Lancaster" model. Our newly adopted son loves this setup playing an AF SACD on our SCD-1. He has Spina Bifida and Diabetes and just went through 2 surgeries on his hip joints and clubfeet. This gear is pain relief and relaxing for him. He loves most all good music. He has been into Living Presence and Living Stereo a lot lately. He plays this setup all day long. He would love the ESP speakers if he heard them. He knows how special your mastering work is. He's an audiophile! I just bought him a set of AP 45 RPM Jazz records.
     
  3. Jerry

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    I knew I shouldn't have read this post. Next time please put how much they cost in the first sentence and save me the trouble of getting my heart torn out. Thanks for taking the time, though. :cry:
     
  4. Metralla

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    All good stuff Steve, but I take issue with a couple of points.

    In saying:
    you are not giving the full picture of his complex design and manufacturing - the bass loading is Isobarik.

    The other point I'd make, and this is totally personal, when you said "ESP’s may not stand out at shows", I had the completely opposite reaction. They stood out like dog's bollox; particularly with respect to the quickness, dynamics and freedom in the bass response. In that particular room (as shown in the picture), they played an LP I can't remember the name of on the big ClearAudio, Phantom arm, Aesthetix phono combo - the record was really just a percussion showcase. I'd not heard the like.
     
  5. Steve Hoffman

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    Geoff,

    You're right, the big ESP Concert Grand SI's do use isobaric loading for the bass units, AND push-pull configurations for the midrange units, but the Bodhran SE's that I use do not. The Bodhran's cabinets are apparently too small to fit the compound units into, and the CGSI's complex configurations are too expensive to duplicate in a less-pricey speaker, both in terms of the numbers of top-of-the-line drivers used and in terms of the manufacturing time and effort.
     
  6. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    I got to hear the ESP Bodhrans at the Stereophile Show a couple of weeks ago. And the sound was instantly attractive. I wanted to move them facing each other so I could stand in the center and feel that sound. :) But I kept seated and just listened. :laugh:

    There was some John Lee Hooker, Shirley Horn, and other things being played, and also the Sinatra Steve just mentioned. Although perhaps (the other gear was) not set up to get the best out of that old mono recording on this date here at the show, Steve's mastering sensibilities were shown off right away when that recording was played back. You heard a far warmer and appealing sound from that recording, while most of the other audiophile recordings played in this room sounded cooler if not bright. The speakers were showing off the best qualities of each recording like night and day. While you heard major differences from each recording, everything still sounded good to me. But the mastering was starkly different with Steve's quick demo.

    The mids so rich in a smooth detailed way (not in your face at all) I could not help but wonder how Crossroads from Wheels of Fire would sound on them good and loud. How would these speakers sound delivering Hendrix in the West? Love You Live? Something with the juice turned up so I can feel these monsters, because I can hear them just fine, I wanted to feel them too. And I have a hunch that that design fills a room good enough that you feel you are on stage with the band if that is your aim.

    About the musicality factor, I like lots of highs and bass (me being into classic rock), and of course the mids are of utmost importance, these speakers are for listening, and I know i'd never get fatigue. They are attractive too.

    It is interesting to me about the out of phase wiring designed into certain areas of these sets. Because I like to hear and feel my music working in the room like live performance, and that is to not feel like you are listening to some good speakers, but listening to performance in the room. The design of the inner wiring and side areas which results in more on-axis area for the listeners seems to indicate these speakers are designed with more in mind than just one single listener (in a sweet spot). I'd think that they would fill the room very effectively with sound even at low levels. It would be interesting to hear them get a good loud workout.
     
  7. Metralla

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    Oh, OK. I did not know that. Makes sense.
     
  8. vinyl anachronist

    vinyl anachronist Senior Member

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    I can't remember the entire set-up, but at the Stereophile show a few weeks ago, I heard the ESP Concert Grands, and this was one of the very, very best systems I have ever heard. Even the room decor was beautiful and unique for show conditions. I absolutely forget the rest of the set-up, however. I should have written it all down, since I wanted to write about it. It sounded EXTRAORDINARY. Does anyone remember?
     
  9. Steve Hoffman

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    Elliot Midwood's ACOUSTIC IMAGE store did that room. The ESP's with Wavestream 6550 amps. Can't remember the rest, sorry.
     
  10. Jeffrey

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    Hi SH,

    What CDP's were used in the room in the pic?

    Thanks,
    Jeffrey
     

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    No idea. I just stopped in that room to take the picture. Sorry.
     
  12. vinyl anachronist

    vinyl anachronist Senior Member

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    I remember the Wavestream V-8s. I remember every other component in that system was something to lust after.
     
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  14. Mike Verretto

    Mike Verretto New Member

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    As I recall, the CDP used in the room where Steve took the picture was the top-of-the-line Accuphase transport and DAC combination (DP-100, DC-101). That was in Garth Leerer's Musical Surroundings room at 2005 CES. Garth (the analog specialist) heard the speakers at the 2004 Rocky Mountain Audio Fest and requested them for his room in Las Vegas.

    At HE 2006, the CDP used in the Acoustic Image room was Lector's most expensive unit (about $9K retail).

    Best,

    Mike Verretto
     
  15. Steve Hoffman

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    Thanks, Mike.
     
  16. Metralla

    Metralla Joined Jan 13, 2002

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    Yep, Accuphase. The LP player sounded much better though - I'm not a huge fan of the Accuphase.
     
  17. Jeffrey

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    Hi Mike,

    What CDP do you currently prefer to pair up with your gear? Do you have any CDP's currently lined up for any future shows?

    Thanks,
    Jeffrey
     
  18. Mike Verretto

    Mike Verretto New Member

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    Hello Jeffrey,

    I neither own nor represent any state-of-the-art digital players, so we pretty much use whatever we can get ad hoc that we think sounds good enough. Sometimes, show partners pick the CDP (as happened with both Garth at 2005 CES and Elliot at HE2006). Although I am not an authority on digital and have not done an exhaustive comparison, digital sources I have heard recently that I think highly of are the Weiss DAC (paired with an excellent transport, of course) and the Denon/Esoteric mods of either Alex Peychev or John Tucker. (I'm sure some of the other modifiers do a great job, too. I personally like modded units because they tend to be perfectionist works that are less likely to be built to particular price points.)

    If you have any suggestions for great digital, we're always interested in investigating them. Our next show is the Rocky Mountain Audio Fest in Denver in October.

    Regards,
    MV
     
  19. Jeffrey

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    Hi Mike,

    Thanks for the info! It's very nice to hear your perspective and i'm glad you are participating in the Forum. This is a great site!

    In regards to suggested digital, you know what i know. All of my CDP's are Alex Peychev modded units. I'll never own another stock player.

    Take care,
    Jeffrey
     
  20. Tal

    Tal Active Member

    Hi Steve,
    I appreciate your view on the ESP SI but I was wondering if you could compare it, from what you remember, to the older version. I ask this since lately I was auditioning these speakers and came out very disappointed. When we played jazz or solo female voices, the sound was very good. But when the material became more complex, and when we switched to analogue, the sound became quite unpleasant. I also read somewhere that that was also the reaction of some people to the new ESPs.
     
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