Needledrop recording help (guess my problem)

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by DetroitDoomsayer, May 15, 2018.

  1. missan

    missan Forum Resident

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    Doesn´t matter if it´s a new problem. Something has for some reason changed, and it´s clipping pre volume control. It´s rather common.
     
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  2. Strat-Mangler

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    Exactly. I troubleshoot issues all day. 99% of people say the same thing. Fact is, problems can occur at a moment's notice. For instance, my wireless keyboard decided to die, yesterday. It doesn't matter that it worked for years prior to that. It won't change anything to fixate on that.
     
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  3. Strat-Mangler

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    Have you tried the different Comp option? RIAA and LP, I believe. Try the other and see if there's any difference.

    Have you tried the 2nd phono input? I also see Tape and Tape HD. What's the difference between these two and have you tried the 2nd one?

    Also, in Windows... have you verified that no Line-In input so-called "enhancements" are enabled? The pic below is just as a reference.

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    If your soundcard is from Creative Labs (from the Sound Blaster line), they also have their own Control Panel applet which would have additional settings. By default, enhancements are enabled. Updates tend to re-enable those as well. Worth checking out, IMHO.
     
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  4. DetroitDoomsayer

    DetroitDoomsayer Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Yep, I've tried phono 2 / tape out (current) Tape HD (haven't tried)

    Sound card is Realtek. I get no clickable/unclickable options under the enhancement tab.
     
  5. Strat-Mangler

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    Verify that your speakers are set up as full-range. If they aren't, it's possible the input would be cut appropriately.

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    Aside from that, you might want to look at Windows Updates performed automatically when you started experiencing that issue. WU can occasionally also update your audio drivers which might be the reason why you're experiencing this problem now.

    Alternatively, you also have the option of using System Restore and restoring your PC back to a time more than 2 months ago when you did not experience this problem.
     
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  6. harby

    harby Forum Resident

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    Realtek has its own driver that should be used for more control. Download and install the "Realtek HD Audio Codec" driver offered by the vendor for the onboard audio chipset, and you will have more record mixer options offering more control, and be able to see if something is incorrectly configured. (Link to another forum).

    This terribly narrated video at least shows you the separate mixer for record and playback available in the fully featured driver (XP worked correctly before Microsoft gutted OS sound features to add a secure audio path to appease Blu-Ray):


    Windows 10 of course foists its own driver library on you, and the periodic updates of Windows that take hours to install are actually a re-install of the operating system that doesn't preserve your advanced customization options or preferences (like preferring not to have ads delivered by your operating system).
     
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  7. ClausH

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  8. DetroitDoomsayer

    DetroitDoomsayer Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I'm still running Windows 8.1. Will check out drivers.

    Will check after work.
     
  9. DetroitDoomsayer

    DetroitDoomsayer Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Thanks, I'll read that after work.
     
  10. McLover

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    The DR-07 does not have the problem with line in selected. I use one daily! And use the line in. Plenty of gain without being excessive. The DR-05 did have the problem.
     
  11. arisinwind

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    I think just about every issue has been covered.
     
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  12. WestGrooving

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    If you plug a CD player (or any device with a line out) into your computer line in, does it do the same thing as using your McIntosh?
     
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  13. JBStephens

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    From everything I've read: This is not a source problem. It is not a sound card problem. It is a WINDOWS problem. Remember that the windows you used today is very likely NOT the same windows you'll use tomorrow. If possible, I don't know what is or what isn't anymore, but I would try "rolling back" windows to a previous version. Working in computer sound is how I make a living, so I know a little about it. Just a little.
     
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  14. I've never heard of plain cables amplifying or boosting sound. If there is something wrong with your cables I would expect lack of a signal or reduced volume. Shorted or open cables could cause a buzz.
    I use a specific add-on program to do my needledrops, which records directly to my external hard drive as a wav file at 32/48. As I stated before, I use a USB interface and bypass my computer's sound card. Even at that, there is volume control adjustment in the recording program as well as the mixing board which includes a pre-amp. The main TT I use does not have a pre-amp. If you record through your sound card, it also has level adjustments. Computer hardware or software may get updates and all the initial settings may change and/or go back to an initial base setting. Check all components in your recording chain.
    I use multiple different cartridges mounted in universal headshells, like your 1200 uses. I use these different cartridges to match the kind of record I am playing at the time. Each cartridge has a different output level, so I have to readjust the input level. Like, I could be using one of my Shure M97xe's(low output) and then if I change to a Pickering NP/AC(high output), if I don't reset the levels my recording will look like your graph or even higher. I have my mixing board to peak at -4.
    To me, it is apparent that something has changed in your recording chain and/or some settings have changed.
     
  15. psulioninks

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    Are you sure Windows didn't do an update to your machine that could have messed something up?

    I had one Windows update that basically rendered my laptop useless for performing rips. I had to reinstall a previous version as the rollback was no longer available. After I did that, everything was fine again.

    Since then, I have not had any issues with updates - but **** does happen and different hardware deals with software differently.
     
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  16. DetroitDoomsayer

    DetroitDoomsayer Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    PROBLEM SOLVED! Thanks to all for your suggestions (everyone was wrong :D:):p:righton::laugh:) Including me!

    Here's tonight's drop of the same track again:
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    IT WAS THE McINTOSH ALL ALONG!!

    I swapped out the amp with my Yamaha A-S500 and, voilà no more overload!

    :goodie:

    Now I'm going to have to have the McIntosh serviced.
     
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  17. Strat-Mangler

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    Glad you found the cause. That's why I was focusing on the McIntosh. It was the most likely culprit. Wish it had been as easy as changing a setting but your McIntosh will probably end up sounding better than it ever has once it gets back from the shop.

    So there's that. :)
     
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  18. DetroitDoomsayer

    DetroitDoomsayer Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    AND, there's an authorized McIntosh service center just a few miles from me!
     
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  19. arisinwind

    arisinwind Forum Resident

    When you get it serviced let us know what the issue was.
     
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  20. Strat-Mangler

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    And also how it sounds compared to what you're used to! :D
     
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  21. JohnO

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    I'm glad it is resolved - for now.
     

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