Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Lord Hawthorne, Feb 15, 2010.
Part two begins here.
Re-posting from the end of the last thread, since those still searching for the single might like to know....
Those still trying to find the "Valleys of Neptune" single should look in the south-eastern US if they have friends/family down here. Over the past week I had to travel, so I did a random spot-check of Tennessee, Virginia and North Carolina with the following results:
From five stores in east Tennessee, I found one store with 2 copies, two stores with 3 copies, one store with four copies, and only one store that didn't have any. That last store didn't have any other Jimi Hendrix either, or any indication that they had ever heard of him.
From three stores in Virginia, one had four copies and the other two still had five copies each.
From two stores in North Carolina, one was down to two copies, but the other still had five.
Of course this was during a snowstorm... so maybe all the Hendrix fans were just stuck inside.
Sun went on a holiday
Lay back and GROOVE
On a snowy day
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but Amazon has a description of each song...
This brand-new, completely unreleased studio album features 12 previously unreleased studio recordings totalling over 60 minutes of unheard Jimi Hendrix. Ten of these recordings were made between February and May, 1969, as the Jimi Hendrix Experience set out to create the sequel to their groundbreaking 1968 double-album Electric Ladyland. The album features “Valleys Of Neptune,” one of the most sought after of all of Hendrix’s commercially unavailable recordings, and includes exciting 1969 arrangements of the classic signature songs “Red House,” “Fire,” and “Stone Free.” Also includes unheard studio versions of Hendrix’s inspired interpretations of “Bleeding Heart” (Elmore James) and Cream’s “Sunshine Of Your Love.” Mixed by Eddie Kramer, the engineer for all of Hendrix’s albums throughout the guitarist’s lifetime. Produced by Janie Hendrix, Eddie Kramer, and John McDermott, the team behind all of the acclaimed Jimi Hendrix CD and DVD releases since 1996.
VALLEYS OF NEPTUNE: Track by Track
All of the 12 recordings featured on the album have never before been released on a CD/LP. The songs document the pivotal time period after Electric Ladyland and before Electric Lady Studios and the recordings made there that would later take form as Cry of Love and First Rays.
Valleys of Neptune documents both the final studio recordings Jimi made in 1969 with the original Jimi Hendrix Experience and the first efforts with new bassist Billy Cox. As a number of the song titles will be familiar to fans and buyers alike, the following details the key characteristics of each of the tracks on Valleys of Neptune.
"Stone Free": The original 1966 recording by the original Jimi Hendrix Experience is best known as one of Jimi’s signature songs. The Jimi Hendrix Experience box set (2000) featured a new remake by the original group. Hendrix, Mitch Mitchell, and Billy Cox recorded this version in May 1969. It is a different recording entirely.
"Valleys of Neptune": This track was recorded in September, 1969, and May, 1970. This full-band version has never been released. An extract of a demo Hendrix made of this song -- featuring just Mitchell on drums and percussionist Juma Sultan -- was part of the short-lived Reprise/Polydor album Lifelines, which was in the marketplace between 1990 to 1992.
"Bleeding Heart": This cover of the classic blues song by Elmore James is different entirely from the versions featured on South Saturn Delta and (originally) on War Heroes. This recording has never been issued and features Jimi, Billy Cox, and drummer Rocky Isaac. It was recorded in April, 1969.
"Hear My Train A Comin’": This electric, full-band version is different from the famous 12-string acoustic version that was featured in the 1973 documentary Jimi Hendrix and subsequently on the album Jimi Hendrix: Blues.
"Mr. Bad Luck": Like “Valleys of Neptune”, a different version of this song was part of Lifelines in (1990). Jimi would later develop this song as “Look Over Yonder,” issued as part of South Saturn Delta.
"Sunshine of Your Love": A stage favorite for the group during the 1969 period which has never been released.
"Lover Man": Jimi recorded many different arrangements of this song, including the versions on both the Jimi Hendrix Experience box set (2000) and South Saturn Delta. This is an entirely different recording made in February, 1969.
"Ships Passing Through the Night": A never-before-released track taken from the last recording session by the original Jimi Hendrix Experience on 4/14/69.
"Fire/Red House": Both of these songs by the original Jimi Hendrix Experience were recorded at the same February, 1969, session. They feature the expanded stage arrangements Jimi had developed and are not alternate takes of the original 1967 recordings.
"Lullaby for the Summer/Crying Blue Rain": These April, 1969, recordings by the original Jimi Hendrix Experience have never been released.
Yeah, thanks for pasting that overview, . I saw that a few days ago and found it generally helpful/informative. I'd love to read additonal comments/remarks attached to each of those entries too from some of the folks here that are in the know about the individual tracks. Some of the info might be all in one place, anyway. I guess the details about those tracks fail to mention the '87 overdubs that are mentioned elsewhere in the thread.
Honestly, the way it looks is the concept of the last days of the Experience and first days of the new group is probably a lot more interesting sounding than the actual album will be.
'69 = music too my ears!
It was getting too be where I thought I might only ever play half of this collection.
(seriously; I was going & still will, program out any A.D. stuff)
Great BIG news, thanks for that!
Where does that leave "VoN's": "Stone Free"; mono or stereo?
Stereo, like the version on the purple box.
Any word on the length of the bonus DVDs?
I am also interested in this. The mention of mini documentaries doesn't sound good.
I predict the Hendrix mini docs will be even less exciting than the Beatles mini docs.
(really going out on a limb here! ;-) )
Definatly, One, Hendrix was only around for three years and Two, The Beatles were the first remasters for the group, how many times have the Hendrix albums been re-release, I see this mini docs as interesting as the alternate covers released in 1993 ie So, so!!
I wonder what they are going to do for Electric Ladyland, just show highlights of the Classic Albums DVD?
Most likely. I imagine there will be interviews from The South Bank Show documentary aswell. Anyone know the running times of the doco's?
When is Sony expected to release this title in 5.1 on Blu Ray?
Thanks to the generosity of forum member "reb"(who gave me one of his spares at cost), I now have the "Valleys of Neptune" CD single, since the folks at the nearest Walmart didn't stock it, and had never heard of it.
Doing any future Walmart-exclusive releases is a bad idea, and I hope that the amount of copies being auctioned on Ebay impresses that fact on Experience Hendrix.
Confirmed from EH that the reissues are not remasters, they're using the Uni ones.
By the way, after playing the CD single, I've noted that while "Peace in Mississippi" is at the full, uncut length, Eddie Kramer has taken the liberty of mixing out the first 8 snare drum beats. Why? The unofficial release of the 7 minute version remains definitive, even if the sound isn't as good as this new official release.
Then they've hoodwinked the fans. This is a great start to the Sony Hendrix series.:thumbsdn:
Ok, i'm not going to buy them again - unless the DVD's are something truly extraordinary super-duper.
I just saved some money and i know i should be glad. But i'm not.
As for Eddie Kramer's altering of the intro of "Peace in Mississippi", cutting out a 30 second vocal passage from "Power of Soul"(on "South Saturn Delta"), it seems unavoidable that whomever controls the posthumous Jimi Hendrix CD release program is going to alter/edit/overdub/doctor the music in one way or another.
Only bootleggers are going to present undoctored Jimi Hendrix outtakes, that is when the tapes they've found weren't already edited or modified by Alan Douglas or Eddie Kramer.
Kramer's modifications aren't as severe as the things that Douglas did, but they are still enough to offend the purists.
Phil, are you 100% sure that the edit was not done by Douglas while he was preparing Crash Landing? He used to cut things off the multitracks. Where's the middle eight of Message to Love for example?
The unofficial CD "Paper Airplanes" contains 3 mixes of "Peace in Mississippi". The 3rd mix is the undoctored 7 minute version, with the intro drum beats that are mixed out in Eddie Kramer's new remix.
The mixes are:
1.The guitars only with no drums
2.Douglas' overdubbed "Crash Landing" mix with Jeff Mironov,Bob Babbitt & Alan Schwartzberg,Jimmy Maeulin etc.
3.The undoctored full length recording with the original backing musicians.
What we hear in Eddie Kramer's new mix isn't an edit. He's muting the drum tracks during Hendrix's guitar intro.
Yes, i know. I was talking about the edit on Power of Soul.
Supposedly, the mix of "Power of Soul" heard on "South Saturn Delta" was made during Hendrix's lifetime, so it may have been Hendrix's decision to edit out that vocal passages. A questionable decision, but possibly by Hendrix himself.
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