Odd McCartney sleeves on Discogs - fake? real? or just rare?

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  1. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged Thread Starter

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    I decided to try and add to "my collection" on Discogs over the last couple weeks and, in the process, came upon some very unusual 45 picture sleeves. I couldn't think of a logical existing thread to ask the question, so ... yup, it's a new McCartney thread.

    First up, the one that puzzled me the most. Was there really a UK picture sleeve for Silly Love Songs? I'd certainly never heard of one (and couldn't find an active/completed auction on ebay), but here's what they list:
    Note the R6014 catalog number under the MPL logo, and the catalog numbers on the back of the sleeve for other albums. Most are definitely the UK catalog numbers, but V&M and SoS don't appear to be. So is this thing real or fake or just uber-rare? I see French/Japanese sleeves that were similar, but not with the UK catalog numbers...
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    I'll post a couple others that I came across in other posts...
     
  2. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged Thread Starter

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    How about this thing, which is listed as a Columbia US sleeve?
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  3. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged Thread Starter

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    This really looks like a joke to me, but some people claim to have it, and it's mentioned it was a "special export edition" by Columbia US:
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  4. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged Thread Starter

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    Another US "export edition" from Columbia for Belgium.
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  5. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged Thread Starter

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    Last one. Thought I'd read somewhere this was a fake, but ...?
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  6. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged Thread Starter

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    I'm a pretty hardcore collector (just got my Mo's Songs promo pack today :goodie:) although I typically stick to US/UK releases only. But I had never seen any of the above (aside from "Tug of War") before this weekend. Curious what some of the rest of you say. Calling @daveidmarx, for example...
     
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  7. lennonology

    lennonology Formerly pas10003

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    The orange 'Getting Closer' and the 'Tug Of War'/'Get It' are fakes. 'Silly Love Songs' is real. Not sure about 'Goodnight Tonight' or 'Coming Up'. The 'Goodnight Tonight' is definitely not a U.S. sleeve, but it does look familiar.

    Chip Madinger
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  8. daveidmarx

    daveidmarx Forem Residunt

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    While I'd never make a definitive statement on these, because hey - ya never know... I'd bet money that Getting Closer and Tug Of War are fakes. I remember reading about phony US sleeves for Tug which replicated the UK sleeve, but never saw the one above, which used the same cover from the advance promo 12" of the Tug LP. As for Goodnight Tonight & Coming Up, both have wear on them to make it look authentic, but I'd never heard of either sleeve, and I've looked at puh-lenty of sleeves through the decades. Still, they could have had minuscule promo runs (say 25 or 50 of each), and could have remained unknown to most collectors for all this time.
    That leaves us with Silly Love Songs. A quick search on 45cat shows this to be a sleeve from Denmark. Apparently, they retained the British catalog numbering system. So there's one down!

    EDIT - I see Chip was answering the same time I was! :)

    EDIT (2) - Another search shows the Belgium export sleeve for Coming Up, but no trace of the Goodnight Tonight sleeve.

    EDIT (3) - Looks like Coming Up is definitely legit, and based on that I might assume that Goodnight Tonight is as well. Tug Of War and Getting Closer remain total fakes though. There WAS a title sleeve released of Getting Closer, however:

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  9. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged Thread Starter

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    Thanks guys! I didn't think to check 45cat. :hide:

    Some odd things to be found on discogs, for sure. Another thing that puzzles me about that site ... so when people are adding things to the "my collection", do they typically add all the "sub-parts" along with a main release???

    Example: McCartney's "World Tour Pack" for Flower in the Dirt contained various posters, bumper stickers, etc. along with either a vinyl/cd copy of the album and a corresponding vinyl/cd "single" of "Party Party". So, if you mark that you have the "Tour Pack" in your collection, do you then ALSO mark that you have the single? Isn't that kind of redundant?

    Similarly, that RSD release of four Beatles singles in the Red box - why should there be individual releases of those singles (e.g. Ticket To Ride), when it ONLY came in a package of four? Do you mark having the box, and then ALSO mark having each single? Just curious how others handle such things, if they happen to see this thread...
     
  10. Haristar

    Haristar Living in the Material World

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    Good lord! When was Quasimodo the lead singer in Wings?
     
  11. tim_neely

    tim_neely Forum Hall Of Fame

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    More fake than a $4 bill.
     
  12. servi

    servi Well-Known Member

    That Goodnight Tonight is a genuine Belgium picture sleeve. The coming up picture sleeve also is an official Belgian release.
    Variants exist, see here for example: Singles | The Beatles
     
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  13. servi

    servi Well-Known Member

    Yes, Silly love songs is genuine (I have an exact copy like that), but not from the UK. It has non-UK release numbers for Venus and Mars and Speed of sound. It’s European, possibly Belgian as well, and printed to be sold with imported UK copies.

    EDIT: as explained above, it’s Danish and sold with UK-pressed singles....
     
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  14. KayNicole

    KayNicole Member

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    I have some odd Beatles covers, some of which I believe to be bootlegged. This could maybe be the case on some of these? Though the bootlegged covers are kind of cool in their own way, just not true to the artist.
     
  15. DrBeatle

    DrBeatle The Rock and Roll Chemist

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    Looks like a very old Fred Savage/Kevin Arnold, doesn't it? :laugh:
     
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  16. SixOClockBoos

    SixOClockBoos The Man On The Flaming Pie

    That Getting Closer sleeve is atrocious. If someone doesn't come edit these as unofficial releases on discogs, I might have to step up and edit them (especially that Getting Closer listing).
     
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  17. SixOClockBoos

    SixOClockBoos The Man On The Flaming Pie

    I was thinking of getting a fantasy sleeve for the Twist & Shout / There's A Place single on Tollie matching the Love Me Do slightly matching the Love Me Do sleeve. This was a few years ago when I started collecting and I didn't even have a Twist and Shout record at that time. Well, I got one a few days ago, and I have no desire to get a fantasy sleeve. Same goes for the other releases that were released without picture sleeves. Luckily, we have plenty of genuine picture sleeve releases from Capitol and Vee-Jay.
     
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