Paul McCartney Archive Collection - Flowers In The Dirt coming March 24, 2017

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Sean Murdock, Sep 18, 2015.

  1. paulmccartneyistheman

    paulmccartneyistheman Forum Resident

    I had a dream last night I was scrolling through Amazon and a listing for a new Paul box set, it read like this..

    Paul McCartney - Complete Albums Vol. 1 - The Wind Beneath Wings
    Pre-Order now - Release date: Dec. 8th 2017 - $249.99

    I hope that happens(although I don't like that title) But I can't believe I dreamed that, I've officially lost it..
     
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  2. Darrin L.

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    Well..."It's Not On", from the POP archive was obviously a full-fledged studio track, but also listed as a "demo", so who knows what the reasoning may be.
     
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  3. Haristar

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    Releasing it on the anniversary of John's death?
     
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  4. paulmccartneyistheman

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    I thought about that, but Hope for the Future was released on that date( if I remember correctly).

    This won't even happen, if his manager mentioned a 25 CD box set we will be getting everything at once, if that's what he was talking about.
     
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  5. PhilipB

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    Sorry if someone has posted about this before, I thought they had and was going to reply to them, but I may have just dreamt it up. (Possibly in a #9 dream).

    Now that we've got a whole disc of band demos on this release, perhaps the main draw to a hypothetical Press to Play deluxe box set would be a disc of songs from the sessions for the Phil Ramone album-that-never-was, aka, Return to Pepperland.
     
  6. Sean Murdock

    Sean Murdock Apple Consigliere In Waiting Thread Starter

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    I think at the time, after he and Elvis had disagreed on how to produce the 1988 album tracks, Paul decided that he didn't want this to be exclusively an "Elvis Costello collaboration" and scrapped most of these recordings, choosing to re-work the four songs as he wanted as a smaller part of a purely solo Paul McCartney album. Perhaps looking back, he realizes that he and Elvis were onto something good, and maybe even that Elvis was right -- but he doesn't want fans and critics deciding that these 1988 tracks are the "real" album before he over-produced what became FITD. So he diminishes the Disc 3 tracks by calling them "demos" instead of what they really were -- early versions and outtakes from the Flowers sessions. Honestly, I don't care what the reasoning is -- I'm just surprised (and very thankful) that he's allowing them to be released at all, because many fans will indeed see these as a kind of "holy grail" or some kind of "pure" original vision for the album. I do wish there was some additional focus on early or stripped down versions of the other Flowers tracks, but perhaps Paul feels that it would lead to a complete abandoning of the released FITD -- and I could understand his hesitance if that was the case. Personally, I think FITD is a deeply flawed album, and would gladly re-assemble it with early versions and the 1988 tracks -- but I certainly don't expect Paul to assemble a fancy box set for an album just to render it completely obsolete.

    In what to me is a deep irony, Paul could have bolstered the case for his non-Costello sessions by including some of the b-sides (especially "Flying To My Home") on CD. Looking forward to Friday...
     
  7. johnny moondog 909

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    How long has everybody had the 88 tracks?
     
  8. czeskleba

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    Yes, I agree. The heavy overproduction was always a significant barrier to my ability to enjoy this album, and I remember reading about the abortive Costello sessions at the time and thinking they likely would have been far better than what was released. It wasn't until I heard Elvis' version (with the Fairfield Four) of "That Day is Done" for example that I was able to really enjoy the song. The booming, inappropriate 80s drums and the heavy production glop on the FITD version just killed it for me. It is indeed cool this is coming out now. 80s production ruined many a potentially good album, and it's nice to see it undone in this case.
     
  9. DeeThomaz

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    I want to know this too. As far as I know, they weren't generally circulating. (We've known for some time that some well-connected folk had heard the "So Like Candy" '88 band recording).
     
  10. johnny moondog 909

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    They're circulating at least 6 people in this thread have specifically said that they have them heard them. It's almost moot , what 2 days ? Or 3. Like many I wanted a peek.

    Wogblog in 5 minutes, or however long he spent writing his post explained everything perfectly ,

    Now what's the hidden track thing ? The band version of Playboy to a man segues into something ? Not sure I like that ?

    Sounds like we get 3 big winners so far as "NEW" McCartney tracks, Playboy, Candy, & Tommy's Coming Home,,,, bonafide records, masters.. & most of the 5 alternates.... Excepting 20 fine fingers which he said isin't much... He praised the alternate My Brave Face, but I like the official one, so I don't care.
     
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  11. DeeThomaz

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    True enough. To be clear, by "not circulating" I meant before the contents of this set were "out there."
     
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  12. jl151080

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    It wouldn't surprise me if we get some kind of 'complete albums' box as part of the new "comprehensive plan", especially as no upcoming releases are mentioned on a 'coming soon' card.
     
  13. Sean Murdock

    Sean Murdock Apple Consigliere In Waiting Thread Starter

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    It's a bit of a stretch to say that "everybody" has the 1988 tracks! From what I've observed, only 3 or 4 people participating in this thread have heard them -- the newest one apparently being our Brazilian friend Claudio. Everyone else is just commenting based on the reporting on WogBlog.

    I know I certainly haven't heard them, but it's only four more days, so I'm not too worried about it.
     
  14. Sean Murdock

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    Indeed, and I would have loved a more sparely-produced version of "We Got Married" and a couple of others too -- although being a bit overblown seems to be part of that song's DNA (based on the booted version). I won't be able to know for sure until I hear Disc 3, but I expect I'll be re-thinking the whole 1987-1989 period based on this box set.
     
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  15. johnny moondog 909

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    All our dear friends we've bantered & joked with for years have them now.. someone should be calling any minute now !!!!!!

    I'm really chuffed & pleased to get 3 great new songs, to replace the clunkers on the end of the Flowers album... I suspect eventually I'll come to prefer a couple of the less processed alternates also.

    Czeskleba makes a good point about 80s gunk ruining lots of records, I don't hear it damaging the album as much as you do. But Lord as my witness, I swear to God I hate those Dx7 & D50 keyboard sounds & gloppy 80s drums as much as any living human. We got married is mired In it. I have an album like that , can't stand it, hated it then.

    Too bad they didn't get a good master of Twenty fine fingers, sounds like they just added a few overdubs to the actual guitar demo, using "it" as the actual backing track,

    I love That Day is done & My Brave Face, Distractions, This One, Put it there, You Want Her Too, as they are already. .

    He wrote great tunes with Costello all of them... But McCartney liked those dancy discoish, Brit pop soul things ergo get, Rough Ride, Oui Est Le Soilel. How many people has no legitimate explanation, except too much weed & too many yes men... Motor of Love like it or not, it's legit, the real McCartney showed up, that's a song, kinda boring, but legit..

    I'm excited as heck, wanna hear those 3 tunes, I know Candy & Playboy are in the bag, I wanna see if Tommy coming home is great like That day is done or Let him dangle or something
     
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  16. johnny moondog 909

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    Reel me back in !!!!! Yeah you knew that's what I meant, I figured oh now Claudio, somebody call !!!

    This is the most exciting new songs bit, since Anthology, 3 great tracks from his prime, from an album, that needs coincidentally, about 3 great tracks to make every track great...

    I think it was Harrison's huge success in 87-88 relying on Jeff Lynne, that might've given McCartney pause.... Oh he can't do it anymore Elvis does it for him type of stuff
     
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  17. Sean Murdock

    Sean Murdock Apple Consigliere In Waiting Thread Starter

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    Based on the WogBlog account, it doesn't sound like they used the original demo to me -- the exact wording of the description:

    "Similar from the CD 2 demo, but now with rhythm box/drum machine and some additional elements (like an actual drum on a few parts of the song and electric guitar). Elvis and Paul singing together."
    The 1988 version is also 20 seconds longer than the 1987 demo. The only track that the WogBlog description says was an overdubbed version of a 1987 demo is the hidden track on Disc 2, "The Lovers That Never Were" -- which, now that we know it's an overdubbed version of the original demo, at least its placement now makes sense.
     
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  18. johnny moondog 909

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    You're probably right, I didn't read it carefully. Curious though, if the band is there, why not load up Robbie, Wix & Hamish with mandolin, zither, box guitar, accordian, like Rainclouds. Because Hamish said oh Paul the Drum Machine is so groovy man, Scot soul

    Mistress & Maid is so cool, Like Paul & John doing Baby's in Black but 66 with a Revolverish vibe. Carl Davis filling the George Martin role, did a stilted orchestration, just sounds stiff, great as a duet, with acoustic instruments or a Rigbyish treatment, oddly there is a guitar demo, but they didn't touch it when they did the other 9..
     
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  19. Bemagnus

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    I agree that Flowers us a flawed album- some below-average tracks and some overproduction of it s time. Still it contains more Killer songs than many other Paul albums. Don t think Paul regrets much. In the recent interwiew he actually said so and thought it was a great thing to unfold these things after so many years
    The McCartney/Costello partnership is one that has aged very well and the official release of the wellknown demos and unknown band outtakes is a proof of that. And also imo a proof that this archiwerelease is one of the most interesting so far. Not that I've heard the band out takes yet but I believe and hope they will be great
     
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  20. Thrillington

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    Will be interesting to see how detailed the book gets into the change in direction - we've recently had Paul admit he was tempted by the Human League type sound, and wanted some 'production' pieces from other producers.

    Let's say the '88 album was finished and released. Would it have been a success? How would it have affected Paul's tour? Would he go back to Costello for the follow up, or would he try and go solo with something like Off the Ground? Makes one wonder.
     
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  21. peteham

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    I don't find the production dated at all.
     
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  22. czeskleba

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    I'm sure that was part of it, with the other piece being that he still was desperately chasing a hit record, and clearly decided that bombastic late-80s production was his best chance to get one.
     
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  23. czeskleba

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    If he'd finished the album with Costello, it likely would have been more universally critically acclaimed, rather than receiving the mixed reviews FITD did. I think it probably would have achieved about the same level of sales success that Flowers did, since Flowers really wasn't that successful saleswise (at least in the US) and the 80s production didn't really pay off with the hit(s) he'd hoped for.
     
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  24. theMess

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    It is interesting to me that he didn't take more notice of the success that George had with the Wilbury's at the time; releasing a relatively stripped-down (for the time) record with another great songwriter may have seen Paul have similar success.

    As it is, 'Veronica' and 'My Brave Face' did both become minor hit singles, but I have always thought that a full joint collaborative album would have had better reviews and more commercial success than 'FITD', maybe as much as George had (Paul and Elvis certainly had enough quality songs) with the Wilbury's.
     
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  25. theMess

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    It is also interesting to think about what the 1989 tour would have become; would Elvis have joined Paul on the tour? Elvis could have been the opening act, and then joined Paul onstage for a section of each show, where they could have performed their collaborations and songs like 'One After 909'.
     

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