Paul McCartney Archive Collection - Flowers In The Dirt*

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  1. Oyster Boy

    Oyster Boy Well-Known Member

    I fear you may be right. Even though there is supposedly a 'comprehensive plan' announcement later in the year.
     
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  2. Brian from Canada

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    The operative word, though, is hindsight.

    One thing that's always missed about the collaboration with Costello is that Elvis comes in the wake of the work with Eric Stewart. Stewart was supposed to be the replacement for Denny Laine. Laine's absence clearly meant something to Paul by the time he did the sequel to Tug Of War; I almost get the impression that Stewart's presence on "So Bad" brought back a sense of enjoyment in the studio like he had when Denny was there, because Paul makes a point of replicating that same quartet in Broadstreet when he doesn't change bands mid-set in any other part of the film. Then, midway through Press To Play, it was clear they didn't agree on the role Eric was to play… and given that this would have been around the same time Denny and his ex were talking about life with the McCartneys (give or take a year or so), it may have weighed on Paul's mind that he needed a collaborator who wasn't going to try and position themselves as equals on his solo material. Under that criteria, Elvis is perfect: Elvis had his own work, and did not expect to merge the two. Paul really enjoys the writing sessions; as the 1988 material proves, though, he was beginning to feel a bit of control loss as the sessions went on and swapped out Elvis for a host of other producers to make sure his voice was the predominant one.

    And collaboration continues into the follow-up as well. During the promotion for Off The Ground, Paul is extremely proud of having someone to look over his lyrics. He uses a producer who is happy not to try and conform Paul's sound to his own. And the band sounds the same. Unfortunately, the songs he chooses are not enough of a variety to catch the attention of a music press looking at both socially active musicians and those who are surpassing their previous records (such as Phil Collins and "Another Day In Paradise"). With the question of whether Paul will return to classical or not, or if that would impact him or not, it all gets put on hold for Anthology, after which Flaming Pie proves that the mixed collaborators (including his son, James, and good friend Steve Miller) for when the songs are right is something that works. He doesn't do that for Driving Rain or Chaos & Creation (he's still looking for the producer that will get him equal notice in the industry) but he's reportedly back to that now… while taking time between LPs to stop looking for a specific songwriting partner and find the songs he thinks that will develop better in the studio.
     
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  3. Mr. Explorer

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    Awesome reply Brian! It's interesting how Denny Laine or the lack of Denny Laine plays into this. I'm not as familiar with the work with Stewart, but Paul's co-writes with Denny in the 70s were always top-notch imo. Seeing Elvis as like a version 2.5 of Denny Laine is definitely a unique perspective on all this.

    Also in relation to that operative word (hindsight) it seems like we Macca Scholars have more of it than Paul when it comes to this period. That's why a lot of us talk about how great This One and Put it There and Flying to My Home etc are, while they get overshadowed in this deluxe edition by the Elvis-angle.
     
  4. Mr. Explorer

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    Another thought I just had. While One of my main niggles these last few pages has been that the Mc/Mac collaboration is overrated largely because of how short it was in relation to Paul's career.

    But by that same token, you could say that since the Sgt Pepper sessions (for example) only were a few months long (shorter than Macca and Costello's collab in fact) that they are overrated in their importance to Paul's career. Aaaaaand you'd be dead wrong! :p

    Just a throwing that out there. Sgt Pepper it isn't, but maybe I'm looking at and trying to judge this collab from an angle that isn't really all that important...
     
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  5. Jayseph

    Jayseph Forum Resident

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    Here's something: it looks like the Prince Purple Rain remastered tracklist has been leaked. The second disc is filled with all 7 inch and 12 inch releases from Purple Rain with all b-sides included, unlike Flowers In The Dirt. And on Prince.org: the majority are complaining to the high Purple Paisley heaven that they are including all of these tracks on CD.
     
  6. Mark Burton

    Mark Burton New Member

    How did you make this? I mean, with what program? I need to make one of these for myself and put it in my set. Can you send over the template you used? I love your design. Top notch!!!
     
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  7. maccawings

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    You need a lightscribe cd writer on your computer or you can buy an external lightscribe USB and use it with the lightscribe software..
     
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  8. Frank

    Frank Forum Resident

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    No. You see, the Distractions demo had Track 4 in the metadata, so that must mean that there will be 4 website releases! :p Just keep checking every day - that Motor of Love demo will show up eventually! "Inside Sources" say there's A LOT of promotion planned for this set! I can't say exactly what until 17 people reply 'huzzah' but I'll let you listen in my earbuds behind the Edison A&P.
     
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  9. rstamberg

    rstamberg Forum Resident

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    Lightscribe hasn't worked on any of my Macs in a long, long time. I've got two Lightscribe-enabled burners and plenty of the necessary Lightscribe-printable discs on hand but to my knowledge there is no longer any working Lightscribe software for OS 10.12.4 (Sierra). I'd love to be proven wrong about this ...
     
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  10. Paul H

    Paul H Forum Resident

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    You were perfectly clear, Luca. I was just musing on the issue of the demo recording dates more generally.
     
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  11. backseat

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    I understand :) In the FITD Archive Edition Deluxe there are two photos of the tape boxes of the Costello-McCartney demos dating one from early September 1987 and the other from October 1987, with the exact dates, which I don't have handy now.
     
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  12. Thrillington

    Thrillington Forum Resident

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    This dropped through my letterbox this morning. 'The postman's at the door...'

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    Looking forward to re-reading this wonderful interview, a great addition to the boxset. I received number 33 (and 1/3?) of 500.

    Of course, the physical aspect can't match the luxurious quality of the rest of the books - but for a fiver it's great value to have the interview in a physical form, and I think it provides a good balance to the Costell0-heavy narrative of the official books. It does fit very snuggly in the box.

    Only downsides are, due to there being little room available in the box set the fitting is snug - to the point where I noticed that one side of the box began to bow slightly. If this box was wedged between two others on the shelf, this wouldn't be an issue - but since it currently stands at the end I'd be mindful of whether overtime the box will warp slightly as a result. It is a sturdy box though, so this is only a minor point. Also, the booklet is not as wide as the official books so it may slip further into the box - but this is just nit-picking.

    Overall, I'm very pleased to own a copy of this feature - one of the best McCartney-related interviews I've had the pleasure of reading. A valuable addition to the Flowers material, and a well-needed alternative perspective to that provided by MPL. Thank you again, SDE!
     
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  13. Mark Burton

    Mark Burton New Member

    You know, you could sell those without the music on it. Just the cd with the lightscribe label on the disk. Then the user could burn the music that they downloaded from the box set themself. I would buy one.
     
  14. maccawings

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    Thanks for your response. You would think that this would be the perfect answer, right? But using and selling something with the Capitol and MPL trademark is just as illegal as putting the music on it. So if you are going to do one, might as double down. But being a retired police officer, not something I would do. I try avoiding inviting bad karma! lol
     
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  15. BZync

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    Now that I have lived with this set for a few weeks I thought I'd chime in again. My first impression was that the new set didn't alter my view of the original album. That has changed somewhat as I have developed an appreciation for some of the songs I had previously learned to ignore. For example, I have come to appreciate Rough Ride, Figure of Eight and Motor of Love as good B level material. But I still can't develop any love for Distractions, How Many People or Ou Set Le Soleil. While there is a lot of A material here (My Brave Face, You Want Her Too, This One) and some very strong but more subtle tracks (Put It There, Don't Be Careless Love, That Day Is Done), there are too many tracks that I don't miss if skipped. In that sense, this album is a lot like Venus & Mars or Speed of Sound. A solid effort but not one of his best.

    What has kept this set on my daily playlist is disc two and to a slightly lesser degree, disc three - the demos. In many cases the demos are much more exciting than the polished, released versions of the same songs. That is true of the Elvis solo releases as well. While I have always liked Elvis' version of So Like Candy & Playboy To A Man, I have always considered them B level efforts. But they shine in the demo versions. I think the released, original version of Flowers could have been greatly improved if some of these songs would have been included instead of some of the weaker (or more period specific) material. The jewel of disc four is Back on my Feet. Had this alone been included it would have elevated the set tremendously.

    Alternately, if the disc two demos had been polished with some overdubs at the time and released as a duet album, it would have been a highlight of both artists catalogs.

    Another note, McCartney's voice was in top form for this entire album. His vocals on the released version of Don't Be Careless Love are heartbreaking. And his raw vocal on the demo of The Lovers That Never Were is stunning. I also love the "hidden" version of that song (after Playboy To A Man) with the big percussion sound. Tommy's Coming Home and Twenty five Fingers are delights. Paul & Elvis' voices combine so well.

    Finally, on disc four is a song that was unknown to me - Flying To My Home. Nice bonus.

    In my opinion, this set has - by far - the best quality unreleased bonus tracks of any previous Archive Edition. Being that I wasn't a huge fan of the original album, I almost didn't spring for the deluxe box. Now I am very glad I had.
     
  16. maccawings

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    I have regular pc's and don't own a Mac so I can't speak to that. On both of my Windows Vista and 10 (2 computers) it works fine.
     
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  17. maccawings

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    BTW, the other day I saw an auction on eBay with a bonus material cd and either was lightscribe or had a label printed on it. Didn't take a closer look. Will try to find a link later on
     
  18. Mark Burton

    Mark Burton New Member


    Ah, you are correct. The logos would be an issue. Good point. Incidentally, I would never ask you or anybody to do anything illegal. I would love to get a disc like that, but only through legal channels.
     
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  19. Oyster Boy

    Oyster Boy Well-Known Member

    So would I, but it should have been in the Deluxe box to start with.....
     
  20. Sean Murdock

    Sean Murdock Apple Consigliere In Waiting Thread Starter

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    I got my SDE booklet today too -- all the way in the U.S.! It really is a beautiful job, and it goes perfectly with the box (notwithstanding the nitpicks you accurately described). So someday when I'm dead and my sons are selling off my collection, the download link for "Disc 5" might be dead, but they'll have this awesome extra booklet to offer! Viva Physical Product!!
     
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  21. joeislive

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    got an email saying the Best Buy "MBF" vinyl single shipped!
     
  22. xTraPlaylists

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    Me too.
     
  23. Paul H

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    Yes. The contradiction is that McCartney has claimed that the songs were recorded as they were written. Clearly, they didn't write the whole batch on two days so either McCartney is mis-remembering (or simplifying) or the dates on those boxes are the dates when they were compiled, rather than recorded.
     
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  24. Johnny Reb

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    Shoot. Looks like I missed out on that exclusive. I was in Best Buy yesterday looking for FITD and they had just run out...
     
  25. joeislive

    joeislive Forum Resident

    Some of the stores that I went to in NYC were sold out of them by 11 am on release day. They must have ordered like 4 copies...:shrug:. If not for the exclusive offer I would have gone with amazon as usual.
     
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