Paul McCartney - Egypt Station (#1 album in US) Appreciation Thread 2.0 - New and Improved

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Dr. Pepper, Sep 19, 2018.

  1. Chief

    Chief Over 10,000 Served

    This is my take. Paul made his voice work. While sometimes, it appears to do what it had in the past (“Dominoes”, “Get Started”), it’s not the same voice. Claiming otherwise, somewhat minimizes how great Paul’s voice was in earlier years. Vocals like “Wanderlust” or “The Back Seat Of My Car” are amazing achievements, and unique performances. Those days are gone. The voice isn’t the same. That’s okay, if perhaps sad. Nonetheless, Egypt Station works as a whole. The vocals are good enough to be effective and the entire thing sounds right.
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  2. Bemagnus

    Bemagnus Music is fun

    Pauls voice is not what it used to bot ven close. However I think he uses what he have to advantage on Egyopt Station
    Do it now for one I think he nails. Of course the younger Pauls could have made more out it but the stanina Paul current voice has makes up for it.
    Overall one if the surprises on ES is how well Pauls vocals works

  3. I’ve always took that as a different way of saying “Do It Now”.

    Dearly departed, may, reference that part of his legacy George and John popularized about Paul - and his music is both a musical refute to the parts he disagrees with and using his love for them (and Linda) as a motivational tool to make more music.
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  4. Ringo Hendrix

    Ringo Hendrix Resident Pest

    It's most certainly not a retirement statement...Unless he just has to quit - I don't foresee the man stopping until he drops. I agree with that completely.

    I am quoting myself from page 61, although I have heavily edited it; I can't really word parts of it better for myself than i did then (also I say this to invite discussion)

    Paul has seen how so many of his peers are going away. He consciously knows each day could be his last. I know that may seem obvious, but when you're really famous and you have such a legacy... And are arguably the most important living musician living in this world in which we live in and one of only two people left with memories of being in the most legendary band that ever existed while they were famous for what they were famous for...
    I am not usually one to (over-)analyze lyrics... But I feel that he made Egypt Station as though it were his last. Just in case. Many of the songs have messages that sound like advice he may want to pass on, or to raise awareness of situations for when he's not here to say it anymore. People Want Peace, Do It Now, Despite Repeated Warnings, Who Cares, even Dominoes....

    I have read that he musically quoted "The End" in Despite Repeated Warnings...

    I truly consider it a very high possibility that it's no coincidence that the last words on the album are "So Long Now"- which, could very well be an intentionally subtle hint, a double entendre. Just in case. Not a definitive goodbye, but one just in case, cleverly disguised as just a part of the actual lyric, which has a completely different meaning. That way, if he makes another, it isn't after saying some big grand obvious goodbye but on the chance he doesn't get to make another, then there's the subtle goodbye.

    He set out to make a great album, perhaps so as to go out with a bang, again, just in case. Surely he wouldn't want Give My Regards To Broadstreet to be his last work, what people remember him by. He seems to be trying to secure his legacy more and more.

    He sees to have been making each one as though it were last for quite some time now. But especially after New, when so many peers have been sadly leaving us- I am not saying he is making it his sign off, I am just saying there is absolutely good reason to believe, ESPECIALLY now, that he kind of treated this as his last and made just-in-case subtle hints or got across some things that needed to be clarified. So to speak.

    Many people may take this as though I am being unnecessarily downbeat or thinking too much about it- and some may respond as though they are in denial, which is unnecessary. People seemed to ignore the original post, i suppose they didn't like the topic. It's not like I'm sitting here bawling while I write the post and it shouldn't be interpreted that way, it should only be interpreted as causal-conversational. But I feel there is good, strong evidence behind this.
  5. streetlegal

    streetlegal Forum Resident

    More randomish ramblings.

    “Dominoes” and “Hunt Me Down”/”Naked”/”C-Link” are standouts that surely will stand the test of the time (pre-booked for Pure II) . . .

    “Hunt Me Down”/”Naked”/“C-Link.” Like “Despite Repeated Warnings,” but more so, there are these moments when you find yourself in a different part of the trilogy but you can’t remember when this transition actually happened. You’re mentally playing catch up-- and it makes for an exhilarating ride, getting lost in song: “Where you're taking me, I don't have a clue.”

    I hear three different “lead voices” here (I’m including the lead guitar solo in “C-Link”), and these leads build on each other.

    The first vocal (“Hunt You Down”) struts and swaggers, with attitude--younger (1970’s?) sounding, on the chase and in your face (a la “Come On to Me,” “Fuh You”). Did I say 1970’s? More like a primeval, a hunter-gather.

    The second voice (“Naked”) is quite a reversal. It sounds quavering, timid, drunk perhaps . . . or is that sobbing? Baby-like. Naked, and vulnerable. Stripped and raw, and far more vulnerable than the first part of the trilogy suggests. No longer chasing, but following.

    One interpretation that interests me (at least) is to see this is as a song in part addressed to the Muse, a conversation with his art. “C-Link,” the third voice, is the muse taking flight (flying but no longer fleeing).

    Between “Hunt” and “Naked” the hunter becomes the hunted, exposed, captive, and supplicant, but addicted by the chase none-the-less, a predicament forecast in the first verse: “She's giving me the runaround/And makes me wanna lay down and cry.” Naked in part, perhaps, because the Muse is his confidante, to whom he tells “every secret thought.”

    So who’s doing the chasing here?

    Perhaps this is the narrator’s double-edge relationship with his artistry, chasing inspiration, (“Hunt You Down”) but simultaneously "Naked," drunk on it, held captive by its burden, and by the expectations of the audience and its “sea of faces” (the artists’ many guises but also the audience staring back and projecting their own disparate images onto the singer, put together from countless sources).

    I’ll declare my hand here—I also like to hear “Caesar Rock” in part as another song dedicated to this beguiling Muse, mysterious, unknowable, inexpressible, and dual-natured; “my inspiration coming” that also “breaks me up, takes me down.” The Muse as “Rock.”

    Hail Caesar! Hail! Hail! Rock ‘n’ Roll.

    So for me, I experience this album partly as a relationship with someone who is “only a man” and a fickle muse who occasionally “flashes a smile” and who brings all the ambiguities of artistic success (“dogs at my door”). Someone mentioned that “Happy with You” could really be addressed to the self (as if looking in the mirror); it could also be addressed to the artistic self, his brother(?) (“People want peace” . . . with themselves). I hope it’s not too much of a stretch: Egypt Station, an exotic, contradictory, contrary, place he tunes into but doesn’t completely control or understand, a conversation with his artistry.

    But in the end, this is mostly about me and my experience with music that takes me to different worlds. So excuse my nerdiness, but this album has brought immeasurable warmth, relaxing with a favourite tipple; an album that flirts, dances, and beckons; questions, confides and comforts, takes you by the hand; rocks you, urges you, and warns; acts silly but also enchants and transports. What more could I ask?
  6. PhoffiFozz

    PhoffiFozz Forum Resident

    Chicago, IL, 60173
    Wow, that is a hard thing to do... so I'll give it a shot:

    Memory Almost Full
    Flowers in the Dirt
    Tug of War
    Egypt Station
    Chaos and Creation in the Back Yard
    Flaming Pie
    Electric Arguments
    Off the Ground
    Driving Rain
    Run Devil Run
    Kisses On the Bottom
    Press to Play
    McCartney II
    Pipes of Peace
    Give My Regards to Broad Street
    Снова в СССР

    I should try this again a week and I'll probably have really different results! Especially those top 4. I'm not really sure what the order should be for me. I honestly don't know if I can compare these albums as easily as other people. Especially looking at this list. It's a pretty diverse list of material and approaches to albums. And I guess that's what I love about all of them.

    Flowers in the Dirt was such an important album to me since the day of release and I still have a major affection for most of the songs. But many of them, I tend to like different versions.
    Memory Almost Full is another album that I find to be completely under-appreciated and quite brilliant in many places and I wouldn't be surprised if the horrible mastering has turned many people off to it.
    New: It's 5 years later and I'm still listening to it like it was still new. (pun intended) Although now that we have Egypt Station, I have something to replace it with.
    Tug of War like Flowers is another important album to me and has been since it first came out and I think the only reason it has deteriorated at all is time.

    Egypt Station is still new enough for me to not be able to make a firm decision on ... and it's got some very tough competition!
    Chaos, Flaming Pie & Electric Arguments are also brilliant albums. But I'm ashamed to admit that sometimes the praise for each of those albums brings out the things that I find 'flawed' with them and makes me hear those critiques a bit more clearly, which is pretty ridiculous on my part.
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  7. Frank

    Frank Forum Resident

    *Frank never said that. Frank enjoys it just fine, he just doesn't have a month-long priapism over it.
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  8. streetlegal

    streetlegal Forum Resident

    The McCartney album this recalls the most?

    Of the one's I know, Venus and Mars. Both seem like they are based on quasi-concepts (half-baked, for sure, but kind of fun), one a stage show, the other a train journey/radio station, and, on each, a real smorgasbord of genres.
  9. Ringo Hendrix

    Ringo Hendrix Resident Pest

    I like Memory Almost Full, but I agree the mastering was atrocious.

    Whoever it was that said MAF gives them headaches, I can definitely see where you are coming from.

    Although I am a headphone listener... (they probably aren't, whoever they are) it doesn't give me a headache or bother me so much- but I can DEFINITELY imagine it giving a headache to others, even if through a different medium.

    The production just feels so harsh to the ears on headphones *compared to his other recent records* and noisy as though Kahne intended it to be as bright and ear-stinging as possible.
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  10. SpeedMorris

    SpeedMorris Forum Resident

    Maybe it's in the thread somewhere, but has anyone done or heard of a comparison of the sounds of the 180 and 140g pressings?
  11. SpeedMorris

    SpeedMorris Forum Resident

    Quick interjection:

    I greatly value my copy of Broad Street. I play Ballroom and Silly Love Songs about as much as anything in the catalog. Freaking Jeff Porcaro and Louis Johnson.... I also love I'm Not Such a Bad Boy and No Values. That's a darn fine rock band there.

    I just avoid the lounge version of TLAWR. (I like the funk version of No More Lonely Nights just fine.)
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  12. The Band

    The Band Forum Resident

    As a child of the 80s, I always liked the Broad Street Long And Winding Road. Yes it’s 80s but that’s rather stating the obvious! Love the sax and Paul’s voice throughout Broad Street.
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  13. snowman872

    snowman872 Forum Resident

    Wilcox, AZ
    Is there going to be a version 3.0 thread about Egypt Station that is more improved? Clearly, we've only scratched the surface on this soon to be classic album.
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  14. Prudence1964

    Prudence1964 Forum Resident

    Upstate NY
    I thought of John too and Paul's insecurity about the "who wrote what" controversies.

    The line about stepping on hallowed ground is interesting too. Talking about women after Linda maybe?
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  15. Bemagnus

    Bemagnus Music is fun

    This is what Frank said about Egypt Station a score of 4,5 /10 -at least this is Franks rewiew. Classic Frank givin songs like Happy with you 3/10 and Despite repeated warnings 1/10.
    Franks rewiew of Egypt Station
    Roughly graded as it compares to the rest of the solo McCartney oeuvre.

    Opening Station - N/A
    I Don't Know - Nice enough. No melody to speak of, at least not as far as one being sung. Words are above average and not all awkwardly run together as he is wont to do when he tires to write "good" lyrics. Not really my kind of music since I'm not depressed at the moment, but fine for what it tries to do. 6/10
    Come On To Me
    - First spark of energy. He sounds more menacing than hopeful about the prospect of this relationship, but all in all a fun if inconsequential, trite ride. Hate "YesIWillYesIWill" but the rest is fine. Well produced. 6/10.
    Happy With You - Talk singing. Not my thing at all. Is he saying he wasn't really happy before when he used to do those things? Should I doubt all that came before? 3/10
    Who Cares
    - I like this better now than I did on SiriusXM. Not as much as some seem to, but I like it enough. Again, a lot of talk singing. 7/10
    Fuh You
    - This is going to come as a surprise to some I think, but I am not horrified by this as an album track. I don't like it at all. But absent the act of blatant and sad desperation of reaching for something that just isn't there for him and won't be again (a hit single) and placed among the other tracks, it's not offensively bad, just regular bad. 1/10
    - Boring, awkward and tuneless. 3/10
    People Want Peace
    - Terrible. Kurstin tries every trick in the book to try to make this epic (thundering drums? We have those! Hand Claps and McCartney made to sound like a chorus of people, shouting over himself to the end like Hey Jude? Pile it on!), but they all fall flat. Like someone told someone without talent to write a parody McCartney song. One bonus point to Kurstin for realizing he needed to try to do something to save it 2/10
    Hand In Hand
    - Not horrible, but not good. I don't like the voice he affects here. It's annoying. He sounds out of breath and it makes me slightly uncomfortable. Back off the mic bro. 5/10
    - This is the Paul McCartney I know. Sounds like Traveling Paulburys. I like the rhythmic invention at "And like the dominoes who are falling." Nice bass part. Too much acoustic guitar for me but it stops shy of Young Boy deafening thunder. I like the lead guitar part. It all clicks. Tasteful and elegant. All the little Paulisms are there and used to great effect. 7.5/10
    Back In Brazil
    - Should have been left off for something better. Nothing redeeming. 1/10
    Do It Now
    - Interesting chord changes. Kind of like someone ripping off their misconception of what the Beatles sound like. It's charming and he sings it well. They realized they needed a big build up section to make it go somewhere and they provided it. I wish the end cello thing there was longer because that sounds really good. 7/10
    Caesar Rock
    - I want to love it but I don't. Another lap dance - no pay off. Acoustic guitars here really harm it. Could have been made better without that riff being hammered out on wishy washy acoustics. 5/10
    Despite Repeated Warnings
    - Now I don't even like that musical section that I liked the other night. Sounds like when Broadway composers who have no business writing "pop/rock" decide they're going to write a rock musical. Like a cheesy 70s rock opera by people who look down on rock music and think they can do it better than people who actually do rock music. Forget Fuh You, the real embarrassment of Egypt Station is that they tried to promote this as anything like Live and Let Die or Band on the Run. That's a worse misrepresentation than saying OTG was his best since the White Album. 1/10
    Station II
    - Should have just been part of the following suite. What's the point?
    Hunt You Down/Naked/C-Link - A complete triumph. Rock McCartney, Pop McCartney, guitar God McCartney. Everything you need to know about what the man can do in a 6.5 minute package. It's not a career best, but it's a late career highlight for sure. 9/10

    Overall: 4.54/10

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  16. jmxw

    jmxw Forum Resident

    ithaca, ny
    Wow. It's hard to imagine that Paul could top Mr. Children's cover of an Elton John song, or anything by Bump Of Chicken.... :magoo:
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  17. jmxw

    jmxw Forum Resident

    ithaca, ny
    That's an interesting analysis.

    I think your theory is also interesting, but I hope it will be proven wrong when he releases his next album. [Which I hope is in less than 5 years... maybe 3? Or less if there is a soundtrack to the hopefully-released-someday-soon High In The Clouds..?]
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  18. jmxw

    jmxw Forum Resident

    ithaca, ny
    Speaking of "just thoughts"...

    There has been much discussion around these parts about the state of Paul's voice. But on the other end of the spectrum, how is Paul's hearing? I hope there are no issues with it, but like Sir George Martin, I expect if he were having any diminished capacity in that area, I bet he would try and cover it up as best he can... :ignore:

    I hope there are no such issues, but ... he is in his 70's and had to endure several tours with fans screaming at jet-level [or greater] volumes.... :cry:
  19. Dr. Pepper

    Dr. Pepper What, me worry? Thread Starter

    How dare you speak for Frank! Only Frank would know what he thinks! I know Frank, Frank is a fellow forum member, and you sir are no Frank!
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  20. Dr. Pepper

    Dr. Pepper What, me worry? Thread Starter

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  21. snowman872

    snowman872 Forum Resident

    Wilcox, AZ
    That's not what the Mr. Children song is. It has millions of views and doesn't sound like Elton to me.

  22. jmxw

    jmxw Forum Resident

    ithaca, ny
    Yeah, I figured it probably wasn't really a cover song of this,
    Your Song - Elton John
    but I was just going by the title.

    PS. Did you know that Bump Of Chicken performed a cover of "The Beatles' version of Twist And Shout" during their ninth grade cultural festival for their first performance [in 1994]?
  23. snowman872

    snowman872 Forum Resident

    Wilcox, AZ
    No, I didn't know that. But when searching for it (unsuccessfully) I found Sweet Bump It's cover of "Twist and Shout!"

  24. Who Cares

    Who Cares Forum Resident

    ‘I Don’t Know’ / ‘Come On To Me’ - RSD Exclusive 7"

    "To celebrate the success of Egypt Station charting straight in at #1 Paul will release an exclusive version of ‘I Don’t Know’ / ‘Come On To Me’ on 7” as part of Record Store Day. The hand-numbered vinyl is limited to 5,000 copies and available at independent record stores around the world from Friday 23rd November."

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  25. SixOClockBoos

    SixOClockBoos The Man On The Flaming Pie

    Looks like I'll have to line up outside of a record store for RSD.
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