Petition launched to reintroduce Technics turntables (Update: The SL-1200 is Back!)*

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by englishbob, May 27, 2014.

  1. Erocka2000

    Erocka2000 Forum Resident

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    The Jelco arm and Technics arm have different geometries, so you couldn't just swap the headshell and expect it to be aligned.
     
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  2. avanti1960

    avanti1960 Forum Resident

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    Definitely a case of arm / cartridge matching. We'd like to think it falls within the realm of system resonance - compliance vs. system effective mass falling into the "10 Hz" range.
    Do you know if this is the case where the poorest sounding combination is more out of the theoretical 10Hz system resonance frequency than the other?
     
  3. Dubmart

    Dubmart Forum Resident

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    Yeah, but loosening two screws and re-aligning for the Technics arm is a lot simpler than switching headshells especially if the OP is having trouble getting the cartridge tags off.
     
  4. Erocka2000

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    Oh, I thought he didn’t want to have to align it at all.
     
  5. Dubmart

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    He probably doesn't, but it's a skill all record deck owners should have and a lot better than paying someone £50 for the privilege.:righton:
     
  6. Classicrock

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    Just a case of just loosening the screws and making a minor adjustment using an alignment protractor. Actually the Jelco headshell is superior to that provided with the Technics.
     
  7. Classicrock

    Classicrock Forum Resident

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    I suggest you buy one of these (Polaris).

    AnalogueWorks Turntable Alignment Gauge
     
  8. displayname

    displayname Forum Resident

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    Money questions are so personal. The new 1200s seem fairly price fixed when new, so $500 off wouldn't be bad, and in this specific case would certainly make up for the difference to get the cart aligned. They'd still be below retail price.
     
  9. Dubmart

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  10. Dubmart

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    In the UK £300 off seems to be common for the G, based on dealers offering the GR with £400 or even more off I suspect you could push a dealer to offer £500+ off the G, so under £2500 would be what I'd call a good deal, without knowing the dealer margin I'm not sure how far below that you could push it, but catch a dealer at the right time and I'd expect you could maybe get it below £2300, especially if it's an open box or similar.
     
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  11. AArchie

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    I can't comment on whether the Jelco is superior to the Technics HS but the Technics is set up for the 1200G/GR tables. It might not be worth throwing off the height adjustment ring calibration which changing HSs will most likely do.
     
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  12. AArchie

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    It's a pretty easy thing to mount and adjust the carts on these HSs using the included alignment gage. Just keep the stylus guard on as much as possible to avoid damage. I find attaching wires to be the biggest challenge since the female connectors seem to be always too tight. I pry them open a bit with an awl and use needle nose pliers to push them on the pins. Once you've done it once, it will never seem worth paying someone else to do it for you.

    I keep several carts mounted on different HSs so I can swap carts easily just my changing the HS.
     
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  13. keiron99

    keiron99 Forum Resident

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    Well I've gone and done it. Put a deposit down on the G. Bit of a wait though - possibly here by mid August. All dealers have told me they are in very high demand.
     
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  14. mkane

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    Damn, beat me to it. I'm waiting on $$$$$$ to arrive.
     
  15. Interesting. I wonder whether having the KAB fluid damper on the stock arm would’ve changed that result with the Koetsu.
     
  16. Erocka2000

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    I doubt it would have had enough of an impact to totally transform the sound. I've always read that Koetsus like arms with stainless steel arm tubes the best. Probably why it works better with the Jelco.
     
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  17. JoeSmo

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    Just thought I’d share my findings on my favourite thread: Found a perfect mat for my Sl1200G, for anyone interested it’s German made by Pathe-Wings.
    It’s cork based with a felt upper surface, quite thick, as I have to raise arm to 2mm but I adore the extra bass, detail and quietness it brings to an already great sound. Highly recommended and was inexpensive too.
    It’s also managed to eliminate the slight ‘glare’ I have read that some reviews reference and indeed Timestep allude to curing with their bolt-on power supply. Now I’m pretty sure I was imagining this ‘glare’ subconsciously as I am partial to the powers of suggestion in a review but I’m also now imagining it’s dissappeared!!! Lol....who knows?
     
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  18. Erocka2000

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    Did you ever wind up trying the Herbie’s mat?
     
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  19. oregonalex

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    Yes. I got the 3mm. It's too nice outside to test turntable mats, so I have played only a few records on it. Still, both my wife and I like it a lot already. It manages to make the sound smoother without losing any punch. The stock mat is pretty harsh in comparison. Wooden Bull is duller, but still not as smooth as Herbie's. I think I'll get another Herbie's for the second turntable.
     
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  20. Erocka2000

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    Cool. And the 3mm was a good height or would have liked to have gone with the 4mm?
     
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  21. schwaggy

    schwaggy Well-Known Member

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    I've had the Herbie's for about 3 weeks on my GR, moving from the stock mat that came with my original SL-1200mk2 (4mm) - basically, the Herbie's is WAY EXCELLENT. Really opens things up, reduces some bass issues I have as my speakers are pretty close to my table. I also love the tackiness of it, yet it doesn't seem to hold too much dust. I also notice I don't need to use my weight as much as I used to.
     
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  22. oregonalex

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    I've just ordered another 3mm thick, 292mm diameter, for my second table. Fits perfectly. I have never got a reply from Herbie's about this (asking specifically about SL-1200G) but this is what they state for their 4mm:
    "For turntables with mat 4mm thick and for VTA-adjustable turntables with semi-hollow cast platters prone to ringing." I think none of that applies to the G. Or GR for that matter.
     
  23. Gabe Walters

    Gabe Walters Forum Resident

    I think you're right that the statement about the semi-hollow platter applies to the old 1200s, not the G or GR.

    Interesting that you went for the 292mm diameter. That's the size of the standard mat, isn't it? But Herbie's recommends the 285mm platter, because there is a slight raised edge around the 1200 platter (including on the GR; I don't know if this holds for the G).

    So, I ordered the 285mm diameter platter as recommended by Herbie's and it strikes me as a little small. There is about a mm or two between the raised edge of the outer platter and the side of the mat. Ah well, looks fine and sounds good.

    I also got the 3mm thickness, btw. The platter is damped well enough that I don't think this matters. And the standard mat is 3mm thick, too, I believe.
     
  24. oregonalex

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    There is no raised edge on the G. Perfectly flat all the way through. The edge is beveled, and the 292mm diameter mat (same as stock) follows the natural extension of that bevel. And yes, the stock mat is 3mm according to my digital caliper.

    I only wish they had an all black option. This mat makes me think I forgot a record on the platter every time I walk past.
     
  25. Gabe Walters

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    Oh, interesting. The GR has the black BMC (or whatever material it is) part of the platter, which is surrounded by an aluminum (or stainless steel?) beveled edge. There is a very small difference in height between the metal and black parts of the platter--probably insignificant, especially when covered by a mat and then a record, but I think this is what the Herbie's site refers to when it speaks of a raised edge. The stock mat, being greater in diameter, crosses the border between the two surfaces.
     

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