Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by englishbob, May 27, 2014.
Well the dealer didn't have a 2M Bronze in stock (it's coming Tuesday) so I'm stuck in mono mode:
Congratulations. How do you like it?
What a beauty! You were able to level that Ortofon SH-4 headshell with the available VTA?
I'm curious about your mono cart. Is that needed/recommended for modern mono recordings, for example, Jefferson Airplane and the Beatles mono records?
So far so good! Build quality is great and it sounds excellent.
As for the SH-4, when mounted to the Technics overhang gauge the underside where the cartridge mounts is 3mm higher compared to the Technics headshell. The Mooo Mat measures 2.7mm so when used in conjunction with the included rubber mat the arm sits level (or very, very close to it) at the zero setting.
I haven't honestly spun enough yet to comment on whether a mono cart makes enough of a diffference on newly cut mono albums but the few original monos I've spun so far sound noticeably better.
I do remember reading on Ortofon's site that their SE version of the 2M Mono had a different cut to the diamond to get the most out of the mono Beatles box. The version I have is a nude spherical with a smaller profile than old mono styluses had but not as small as the SE version which I believe is closer to a micro line profile.
EDIT: the 2M Mono SE has a Nude Shibata diamond.
ok, only 2K with tax etc. still a far cry from the 500 for the MKII's I've purchased.
after 15 years if they prove their reliability, i will buy one sarcasm
@Bathory I paid $1,699 and not a penny more - no tax, no shipping, no etc. My guess is that by the holidays as dealer inventories build you'll be able to snag them for $1,500 without much effort.
I get the skepticism around the new deck being much better than where they left off in 2010, particularly the GR, it was bound to happen since Technics revived the 1200 series rather than coming out with an asthetically differentiated model. For me it came down to taking a chance on a DJ used/abused original 1200 or pay nearly the same price for NOS. It was a no-brained in that regard to go new and get a warranty.
If after loosening the screw you are able to twist the headshell along its horizontal axis and then retighten the screw to secure the headshell, then it does allow for azimuth adjustment. This should be very easy to test. Anybody?
I haven't tested it because I can get azimuth correct with the play the bayonet mount allows.
I suppose it could just be a screw for no particular reason...but why? It is otherwise identical to the original headshell that does not have a screw there. Nor did the M5G version.
EDIT: @wgb113, does the GR have the same headshell with a screw?
The GR is a completely different motor design under the surface. The old 1200 would be a similar price if it had continued in production. Some used prices aren't far off the GR price in any case. So you are getting a better new product for not much more money. No doubt when this becomes established there will be some discounting. The Old 1200 was heavily discounted and became far cheaper in real terms over time.
Loosening the set screw DOES allow you to twist the headshell enough to correct for any azimuth issues you might have. I confirmed it this morning on the headshell included with my SL-1200GR.
Thank you! I figured they wouldn't add that screw for no reason.
I wonder if that headshell is or will be available on it's own? Seems worth having one.
Looks great with the Mooo Mat
What play? There should be no play when the headshell is tightened with the collar. Is this your first 1200?
How do you explain the absolute no reference in the manual about azimuth correction, while it explains every other adjustment on the tonearm? I'd be careful with that until an official statement from the manufacturer.
The screw is used to change azimuth. It's on multiple types of headshells. I use the same thing on my Yamamoto headshells as well. Just because it's not in the manual, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Maybe, this particular adjustment is not that easy for the average customer, so they decided to adjust it in the factory, and have the customer not tinker with it.
However, it works. But was intended for adjustment by service personell only.
Regarding the price, the original SL1200 MKII sold for only around 400 Euros in the last year of production, befor the stop of production was announced.
The new SL1200 GR sells for around 1500 Euros.
I cannot imagine, that the price of the original SL1200 MKII would have raised by 300% between 2009 and 2017, had they not stopped the production, but would have replaced worn tools by new ones, and continued the production.
However, how many people bought the original SL1200 MKII in the last years of production?
Some of the DJs switched to the cheaper China/Hanpin sourced TTs, some of the audiophiles switched to the belt-driven Projects, Regas, or so.
Even I thought the price was a bit ambitous back then...
I think, the stop of production made people aware of this iconic turntable. And, as a consequence, gave Panasonic/Technics the chance to increase the sales price.
It is, though not cheap.
NOT when it is tightened. Before you lock down the collar you can move the headshell slightly to get it straight, then screw the collar down. There's enough adjustability there for me to dial azimuth in perfectly with the two cartridges I've tried, using a fozgometer.
The retail price on the last Technics model (M5G/MK5) was 800.00 USD - this was 2009/2010 I believe. I picked up the last M5G that KAB sold.
My guess as well. Still - you'd think that they'd potentially reference it with the disclaimer - "ADJUSTMENT TO BE PERFORMED BY AUTHORIZED DEALER" or something like that.
The Bronze is what I would want too, if (or when) I get a Technics. Not sure about the headshell. The mono would be nice too, as I typically play a lot of old 45s. But I would also want a 78 cartridge!
Strange, the part number for the headshell in the GR manual is TPBGA003. It's listed on that same site for $92 but not available for sale. It's up on Amazon Japan for @ $55.
Looking at the Ortofon SH-4 headshell last night the azimuth is slightly off. When the 2M Bronze arrives I'll try it in both the SH-4 and the Technics headshell to see if any differences exist.
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