Physical Graffiti vinyl reissue quality thread - defects/distortion?

I use the heavier square bottomed ones to replace paper sleeves, but, yeah the round bottoms work great if you're keeping inner sleeves like PG.

 

Yeah...that's the plan. I have tons of cardboard inners that could use some help

 

I'm listening to the first LP, Optimal pressing. clean and quiet. But IMO I think its a bit forward sounding. Not really crackable like the others. Am I way off base here?

 

What do 'forward sounding' and 'crackable' mean?

 

Forward sounding = tad bit bright
Crackable is a mispelling ...meant to say crankable

 

Just like the Classic Zep III, I perceive the 'brightness' as clarity. I haven't really cranked it much yet, though.

 

Amen! Damn, I bought vinyl for years and years and years as a kid, and it was no better than the vinyl of today. We didn't have the sterility of CD's and MP3's to compare it too, and we understood the inherent imperfections of the physical media, which I might add are a fact of vinyl life. People today are completely unrealistic with their expectations of vinyl. Scratches and non-fill are not acceptable, but seriously people, get real. In most cases it's you, not the medium. Go digital if you can't deal with the realities of vinyl, such as the odd tick and pop. Continue to beat up the pressing plants for BS complaints, and watch the prices soar, or watch the medium start to die off due to decreased profit margins. Mob mentality indeed.

 

Hey, thanks for the self-righteous threadcrap. Wah wah wah, "When we were kids we walked ten miles backward through the snow uphill to get to school, and we liked it!"

If you hadn't noticed, several of us did wind up having significant problems with this set and had to exchange.

I think most of us know how to live with minor vinyl imperfections. It's the nature of the format.

This forum sometimes. Jeeze. No one put a gun to your head and forced you or Mazzy to read this thread or threadcrap in it.

 

You're welcome. It's unusual to see you in a thread not drooling over Prince. Welcome. Ha.

 

It's not thread capping and we don't doubt some folks are having problems.

I worked in the record biz for 7 years during the 1970s and saw many LP returns back then. Some folks returned for real reasons and there were others who wanted to exchanged an album with the slightest tick ( but not many ).

The internet has simply magnified this since we read about problems others may be having and then listen for those problems at times more than the music. People more than ever are waiting for that defect because someone has posted about something .

In the days when vinyl was king we accepted many of the so called defects that some people don't now.

But I rarely returned a record back in the 70s and I aquired thousands of them.

 

And I managed used record stores for nearly a decade. So? Even with that experience, opening this thread seemed like a good idea. It's been useful to quite a few forum members having this thread open, and the people posting here don't deserve to read dismissive posts referring to a "mob mentality." You guys could phrase your points of view in a way which doesn't sound as dismissive and insulting to the folks who have been trading information here.

 

I think you are missing his point. or just taking it personally....

 

The labels are always hyping the benefits of heavy vinyl and certain pressing plants. I'm putting down my money, so they better put their money where their mouth is.

 

I understand your concerns. I have all 6 deluxe boxes and had one minor issue on one LP that in reality I would hardly have noticed if I had read about it here.

Nothing wrong with that but sometimes if makes you listen differently. Listen to find a problem. Anticipating it.

In the colored vinyl Bjork thread someone was upset that his white LP had a small black swirl than a few others noticed the same. In that case it doesn't even affect the sound.

 

I think there are 3 categories of vinyl consumers. Personally, I belong to the middle category.

 

Apologies to The Trinity and Mazzy. You guys raised valid points about what some folks seem to be expecting from vinyl, and I got caught up on one little phrase. Virtual handshake?

 

Reporting in to say that I received my replacements from the good Dr. Rhino today. What was interesting was that this time, they sent a brand new sealed copy, not just LPs in white cardboard sleeves. In my case, I requested both LPs from the main album in my deluxe set be replaced, and I received a brand new shrink wrapped copy of the main album

I will report back after a thorough listen...God I hope I am finally fixed here, as this will be my 3rd copy.

I will also say again that on both the previous copies I had, I did not have the distortion issue, or at least not anything my ears hear, but I did have very obvious non-fill issues with the dreaded "ripping paper" sound that were quite frankly, unforgivable

 

Ha! Never have to apologize to me. I love the mix of discussions and opinions. In terms of these specific records, I know a bunch of folks had issues. I didn't. but having worked in the records biz it the heyday of LPs, I saw such a wide variety of buyers who were very picky to not so much. And we didn't have the mass sharing of opinions via the internet we now have. Just a different world and we all know vinyl, as great as it can sound, it a far from perfect medium. And as we read about some problems or aberration, some of us tend to listen harder for than. Sometimes it's something we may have never noticed.

 

UPS just dropped off my replacement copy from Dr. Rhino. It's a brand new sealed 2 LP version! I opened it up and both discs "look" flawless and lay flat on my turntable. I'll be listening to it over the next day or so. Hopefully there won't be any audible defects with these!

 

I've never really felt that the Classics were that bright anyway. I only have III and PG though. The new masters sound 'polished' to me - a slightly cleaner presentation, but not tonally worse or better. However, what the Classic PG and III do have is - what I can only describe as - heft. It's a big heavy sound. The drums on Trampled Underfoot are heavy like swinging a body over a cliff. My only other benchmark is the Page/Marino version, which sounds like a C90 in comparison. I'm sure this can all be understood in terms of waveforms, but the bottom line is that someone buying PG for the first time is getting a good master at a good price. I've bought it 3 times now, and one was expensive* and one was a dud.

*Seemed expensive at the time, but looking at resale prices I guess I got a bargain.

 

Just finished playing...FINALLY acceptable copy on try 3! Zero no fill issues, flat and minor acceptable surface noise. Thank God

 

By the way, I got my replacement PG from Dr Rhino towards the end of last week, but today is the first chance I've had to check it out. LP 1 is perfect, and takes care of my gripes with repeated clicking and non-fill. LP 2 was unacceptably noisy with the dreaded Rice Krispies, so I've put together a good set by combining the decent pressings from both copies. All is well. Thank goodness there are only three titles left in this reissue program, because this is getting exhausting.

Edit: CRAP. I forgot my first copy also had a repeating click for the first minute of "In the Light" on LP 2. Well, even with that click, it's still better than LP 2 from the replacement copy. But grrr!

 

Have an excellent Japanese copy and an original minty US pressing of Physical Graffiti, so I'm not touching this one.

 

I'm confused...both of my copies of iv and HOTH had perfectly replicated inners!

Are you referring to something other than the inner record sleeves?

 

We had poor recycled vinyl at times but we didn't have terrible record plant qc, non fill and other issues