Pink Floyd The Early Years 1965-1972 -Anticip/ation

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  1. Nick Dunning

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    Never heard this one - I thought the track was recorded complete with the Nick Mason vocal at the time.
     
  2. mando_dan

    mando_dan Forum Resident

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    What a strange notion. Agree with Ron et al. that it's a truly stupid rumor.
     
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  3. Phillip Walch

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    Yep it is pretty damn stupid. Like you asking 'Tell me more' I did on a forum to somebody who questioned the authenticity because of "red flags" and just like TheLazenby who commented here there was no response to back it up.
     
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  4. Rne

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    I thought the same.
     
  5. LonesomeDayBlues

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    Early mix of dsotm is pretty awesome. I'm actually somewhat surprised at how much I've played this cd over the regular lp.
     
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  6. mdm08033

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    Good call. I smell a copyright protection release.
     
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  7. LonesomeDayBlues

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    Let's hope they pull a Dylan and we get everything. While I'm not a super fan of early Floyd, this set my do the trick in changing things.
     
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  8. swampwader

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    weee don't neeed the zabriskie point sessions though, probably.
     
  9. jlf

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    As long as we're speculating, what about a live show mixed in quad/5.1? That's how they were mixed live, why not? Also the unreleased quad Meddle or the old quad Atom Hear Mother would be great... Time will tell!
     
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  10. amonjamesduul

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    This is true,but,if it's something they know is not "out there" they can keep it locked away forever with no fear of somebody releasing it.
     
  11. swampwader

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    the Floyd 67-72 were all about their Quad sound and i would love any live show or atom heart mother, meddle studio in that format, fyi.
     
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  12. mdm08033

    mdm08033 Senior Member

    For further reading on copyright extension recordings, Why There Are Only 100 Copies Of The New Bob Dylan Record »

    "Bob Dylan has made some puzzling moves in his celebrated career, but the compilation that his record label recently released may be as odd as anything he's ever put out.


    The compilation, 50th Anniversary Collection, is a limited-edition, four-CD set that was only released in Europe. It seems to have been designed by the label to exploit a recent change in European copyright law.


    The collection is a scrapbook of recordings from the first years of Bob Dylan's career: unreleased home tapes, live performances from Greenwich Village folk clubs and outtakes from the sessions for his second studio album, The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan.


    The packaging of the 50th Anniversary Collection is minimal — just four discs, a brown paper cover and a cursory list of the 86 tracks.


    Dylan's record label declined requests to talk about the collection or its unconventional release strategy.


    But the subtitle, The Copyright Extension Collection, Volume 1, speaks for itself.


    "Even record executives occasionally stray into honesty," says James Boyle, a law professor at Duke University. "This is, in fact, a copyright extension collection. That's what it is."


    Boyle says Dylan's label appears to be exploiting an obscure but potentially lucrative change in European copyright law.


    The European Union recently extended the term of copyright for sound recordings from 50 years to 70 years. But, there's a catch.


    "You actually have to have, at some point, distributed these songs during that initial 50-year period. These were masters that were lying in the vaults," Boyle says, "and none of them had ever seen the light of day. And so he had to get them out before that 50-year period expired in order to get the extra 20 years."


    Because this material was recorded in 1962 and 1963, the label essentially has to use it or lose it to the public domain.


    In Britain, the European Union copyright extension is known as Cliff's Law — named after Sir Cliff Richard, the 1960s-era singer who pushed hard for its passage.


    In an interview with the BBC, Richard says it's not fair that artists should lose the right to collect royalties from their records just because those records happen to be 50 years old.


    "That's my creative juices," Richard says. "I created it, I helped to arrange it. I helped sometimes to produce it. And you make this record. And then someone takes it away before you're even dead."


    But critics say the copyright extension will mainly help record companies and artists like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and The Who, whose recordings might otherwise begin entering the public domain in the next few years.


    "The vast majority of musicians won't see a dime," Boyle says. "The evidence was that in fact, the benefits would go to very, very few people — the megastars."


    Boyle says the European Union law does include a few provisions that are supposed to help common musicians, too. After 50 years, for example, they can terminate their original contracts with their record labels and get ownership of their recordings back. But Boyle says there's a catch here, too.


    "In order for them to be able to exercise this termination, it had to be that the record label hadn't put a new version out within a year of the directive passing," Boyle says. "So we're probably going to see a large number of reissued songs, or aging rockers are gonna be terminating their deals and getting their rights back over their recordings."


    Whatever its intentions, Boyle thinks the copyright extension will ultimately end up hurting the public. Dylan fans in Europe might beg to differ, though: If they weren't lucky enough to snatch up one of the 100 physical copies of the discs, they can buy MP3s of the Copyright Extension Collection from Dylan's website.


    The rest of us can bid for one of those copies on eBay — where one recently sold for more than $1,000 — or wait for a proper U.S. release."
     
  13. mdm08033

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    A 2011 NY Times article that claims Nick Mason is NOT in favor of the 20 year extension, http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/13/a...ion-extends-copyright-on-recordings.html?_r=0

    "Musicians, however, were not as enthusiastic. “This is extremely good news for record companies and collection agencies, but bad news for artists,” said the singer Sandie Shaw, who along with Nick Mason of Pink Floyd and Ed O’Brien of Radiohead is one of the leaders of the Featured Artists Coalition, a British group that advocates for musicians’ rights. “It means they have 20 more years in servitude to contracts that are no longer appropriate to a digital age.”
     
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  14. hallucalation

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    Sorry to dissapoint some of the guys here, but Games For May wasn't taped at all. There was vague rumours about BBC recording it for TV, but you always know where the BBC stuff from the 60's and 70's ended. And there wasn't broadcast date.
    Very vague chance that US 67 tour gigs was recorded. By all accounts there were suck.

    Re-Scream & Vegetable Man - this tracks wasn't mixed in 1967-68. Both were mixed in 74 & 87 - for Syd cancelled 74 third album and for Opel LP. I'll bet they will (rightly) remix it for new box.
     
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  15. revolution_vanderbilt

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    I've probably listened to the 1972 mix more than the original over the past 5 years. But maybe that's just because I was a bit burned out on the original, and given the chance to listen to it with some interesting variation, I go for the '72.

    (although perhaps my favorite version of Us & Them is still unreleased. I have it on a ROIO called The Great Gig In The Sky, and it is nice and dry. No echo at all, very natural sounding. For all the inventive and amazing production choices that were used on DSOTM, I prefer this one unadorned. David's voice sounds so good minus all the echo. If anything, I think they could have used the same echo on Breathe to better effect. Too bad they never asked me ;))
     
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  16. rontoon

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  17. Moth

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    The price stayed at $700. :sigh:
     
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  18. DeeThomaz

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  19. amonjamesduul

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  21. marigoldilemma

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  22. hallucalation

    hallucalation Forum Resident

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    700$?? **** them all
     
  23. Ern

    Ern Senior Member

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    ****eeeeeeeeeeee! 27 discs!!!! Wasn't expecting this!!!
     
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  24. Barnabas Collins

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    I cancelled my order for that enormous Grateful Dead box set from last year. Maybe I'll use those savings and splurge here! I'm most definitely in.
     
  25. marigoldilemma

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    They may well have emptied the vaults for this.
     
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