SH Spotlight Play the Kinks "Waterloo Sunset" in stereo, check and fix or improve your stereo playback with it!

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Steve Hoffman, Jun 15, 2013.

  1. Jack_Straw

    Jack_Straw Well-Known Member

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    Just to clarify, Steve, are you referring to the S/T 'Deep Forest' album or the 'Sweet Lullaby' maxi-single?
     
  2. Jack_Straw

    Jack_Straw Well-Known Member

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    By the way, one of the finest examples of this "vocals floating in the air" phenomenon that I've heard is on Rundgren's 'Hello It's Me' - specifically the background vocals on the Hoffman-mastered version on Rock Of The 70s/Reelin' in the Years. I've heard a LOT of versions of this song, and this one is by far my favorite - even better than the one on 'Super '70s'.

    Steve - if you see this and remember if there was a different approach to these 2 masterings, or if they came from different sources, I'd love to know the details!
     
  3. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Forum Resident

    Yeah. Place them in a soundproof room with a lock on the door.
     
  4. Strummergas

    Strummergas Forum Resident

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    There are no stereo mixes for Kinda Kinks or Kontroversy, so if you see a Reprise pressing for either in stereo, avoid it.
     
  5. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Audiophile Music Mastering Your Host Thread Starter

    The common CD. Q-Sound. (Which I usually hate).
     
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  6. c-eling

    c-eling 'We Feel Their Presence In Our Soul'

    Probably S/T, great album, tons of stuff going on with that album, quite a trip :cheers:
     
  7. toddrhodes

    toddrhodes Forum Resident

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    In my audio room, it's small - 9.5 x 12, if I go no or "slight" toe, everything is in front of me. If I toe to my ears with my laser level (just for consistency's sake), the backing vocals sort of "hover" out to the sides of the room. Now if I extreme-toe and cross the tweeters over in front of my head, it's almost more evident that way. Is there some correlation between small rooms and over toe? I have seen several posters speak of using extreme toe-in over in the Hardware forum and from memory, I seem to recall most are in smaller rooms. My speakers are DIYs so it's hard to give a real account of what they are, but they have ScanSpeak ring tweeters and time-aligned front baffles, for whatever that's worth. 2nd order crossovers, too.

    Edit - I'm referring to Waterloo Sunset, above.
     
  8. Adam9

    Adam9 Formerly jbohdan

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    Kinkdom as well.
     
  9. action pact

    action pact ^^ Sandy Warner, "The Exotica Girl"

    My room is 8 x 12, and I get the best results with my KEF LS50s with the drivers aimed at a point about 8 inches from the sides of my head.
     
  10. toddrhodes

    toddrhodes Forum Resident

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    Good to know! I really want to try a set of LS50's in here. I just may, but the way I have my DIY's mounted on my subs, doing so with the LS50's could be tricky as I believe the KEFs are much smaller than my DIYs. Still, they seem darn near perfect for the space I have.
     
  11. Uncle Meat

    Uncle Meat Forum Resident

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    Could you be more specific about which specific CD(s) you are talking about, post a pic or a link on amazon, something like that.... I have the Super 70s one (I think..the double CD ??)...
     
  12. Jack_Straw

    Jack_Straw Well-Known Member

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  13. ad180

    ad180 Forum Resident

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  14. Strummergas

    Strummergas Forum Resident

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    Yeah, any of the material recorded between the first album and Face To Face, I believe.
     
  15. Adam9

    Adam9 Formerly jbohdan

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    Kinks-Size has some stereo stuff that (originally on the UK 1st album).
     
  16. Uncle Meat

    Uncle Meat Forum Resident

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    Well what do you know, I have the 2nd one. I will have to dig out !!!
     
  17. Jack_Straw

    Jack_Straw Well-Known Member

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    Good question. The only LP version I have is on the DTS quad of Something/Anything. I'll try to give that one a listen and report back. I can tell you that Steve's version on Rock of the 70s sounds slightly better than the Super '70s one, and a lot better than the one on the Rhino 2-disc Anthology.
     
  18. KinkySmallFace1991

    KinkySmallFace1991 Forum Resident

    The out-of-phase stereo mix of "Waterloo Sunset" is readily available on the following releases:
    Something Else Deluxe
    The Ultimate Collection
    The Essential Kinks
    The Anthology 1964-1971

    I'm assuming it's going to turn up on the new Sunny Afternoon compilation, too.

    The majority of Something Else has out-of-phase vocals. EXCLUDING THE NEW REMIXES ON ANTHOLOGY, do any of the songs have vintage 1967 in-phase stereo mixes?

    My thinking why "Waterloo Sunset" is out-of-phase on Anthology: the master tape containing this mix is lost. Perhaps not wanting to needledrop anything for the compilation, Sandoval decided to use the stereo mix. Either that or he's onto us and read this thread!!!

    As far as the topic goes: This was one of the threads that made me want to join this forum. I tried the experiment when I got the Something Else Deluxe back in November (I'd only had access to the mono all these years). This effect happens with many Something Else tracls, most notably, "Death Of A Clown". For whatever reason, Rasa's backing vocals seem to have this out-of-phase effect.
     
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  19. robgil

    robgil New Member

    Can anyone confirm if this is the right mix? I kind of hear it but I'm unsure.
    For me its not as dramatic as I thought it was going to be.

     
  20. For comparison's sake, here's how my German reissue from 1981 sounds like:

     
  21. Speakers or wives? :sigh:
     
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  22. robgil

    robgil New Member

    That's better, its not subtle is it? I'll have a play with positioning later , thanks for the upload.
     
  23. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Forum Resident

    The things you're actually entitled to control.
     
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  24. Thanks for clearing that up.
     
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  25. robertzombie

    robertzombie Forum Resident

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    Just tried this with my new LS50s, the backing vocals were right up in the corners behind me. Cool effect :)
     

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