Pre amp/amp turn on order

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Henry Love, Aug 4, 2012.

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  1. Henry Love

    Henry Love Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Chicagoland
    Amp on first,off last,correct?
     
  2. tubesandvinyl

    tubesandvinyl Forum Resident

    Tube Gear
    Turn on: Pre amp, Amp
    Turn off: Amp, Pre Amp

    SS Gear
    Ideally, leave it on all the time for optimal sound.
     
  3. jh901

    jh901 Forum Resident

    Location:
    PARRISH FL USA
    Source after amp?
     
  4. Linto

    Linto Mayor of Simpleton

    Turn on

    source first ( as it always should be! )
    then phono stage
    then pre amp
    then power amp
    then speakers (if they need plugging in)

    then turn off in reverse order
     
  5. Wasatch

    Wasatch Music Lover!

    What I do: ON/Preamp/Amps/TT OFF/Amps/TT/Preamp CD player, phone stage, TTPSU stay on all the time.
     
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  6. jh901

    jh901 Forum Resident

    Location:
    PARRISH FL USA
    Digital source first? Before pre?
     
  7. ChrisWiggles

    ChrisWiggles Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Seattle
    Shouldn't really matter that much unless the gear has problems (like sources or other things that give a blast of noise when you turn them on or switch stuff around).

    However, with particularly big amps that aren't on their own circuits, it's generally best to power those on first. When they click on, as many don't have inrush current limiters and unless you have limiters installed on your electrical circuits or are running through an ICE type power device they can give a pretty big sag to the power to everything else on the circuit. It won't break anything, but I've seen really processor-intensive devices glitch up when hit with a brown-out like that. Easily fixed with a reboot, but with large systems that have sequenced turn-on, it's usually the really big stuff that you want to fire up first and turn off last. And you want to sequence the turn-on of multiple big amps and things like that.

    On the other hand, if you've got a big system like a live system and you're plugging/unpluggin, switching stuff around and things like that which can easily give some large thumps to your speakers, then it makes a lot of sense to leave the amps off until the end when you're ready to go.

    /depends.
     
  8. jh901

    jh901 Forum Resident

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    PARRISH FL USA
    I always turn on my tube pre first, which takes about 60 seconds. Then I put it into mute using the remote. Next I turn on the power amp and while it is preparing to power up, I turn on the cd player. Once I've put in a cd and allowed it click on, I use the remote to put the pre back to operate and hit play.

    Take much longer to type it out than to do it!
     
  9. Henry Love

    Henry Love Senior Member Thread Starter

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    Chicagoland
    Thanks for the replies.
     
  10. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kind of fellow. Stax Sigma

    You should always power up progressively from source to speakers. Going backwards invites a large transient switch on form the source to be reproduced in all its glory through your speakers. Turn off speakers to source for the same reasons.
     
  11. jh901

    jh901 Forum Resident

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    Mr. Wiggles said it didn't matter. #confused
     
  12. R. Totale

    R. Totale The Voice of Reason

    I just leave them on all the time, but if I was going to turn them off it would be power amp on last/off first for the very good reasons John gave above.
     
  13. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kind of fellow. Stax Sigma

    Are you planning on sending him the bill when you have forgotten to turn the volume of your preamp down and your precious tweeters vapourize?
     
  14. jh901

    jh901 Forum Resident

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    PARRISH FL USA
    My tweeters are rather pricey and toxic. Beryllium could be lethal if inhaled. I do expect advice on here to be accurate especially concerning critical matters.
     
  15. Brother_Rael

    Brother_Rael Senior Member

    Any order you like as long as the amp is the last. Or the pre-amp then power amp if you have that configuration. For reasons Mr. Buchanan mentioned above.

    EDIT: Re: leaving high on all the time, IMO likely not needed in the vast majority of cases. Solid state will power up to normal operating temperature in a short time.
     
  16. Brother_Rael

    Brother_Rael Senior Member

    This is a public forum. The responsibility is down to you at the end of the day. And you're right regarding Beryllium. Ca'canny and all that.
     
  17. GT40sc

    GT40sc Senior Member

    Location:
    Eugene, Oregon
    Power Amp=LOFO (Last On, First Off)

    When the Power Amp is OFF, No Accidental Bad sound can hurt your speakers...
    As stated above by John...
     
  18. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kind of fellow. Stax Sigma

    And now you have accurate advice, my friend.
     
  19. Brother_Rael

    Brother_Rael Senior Member

    Indeed JB, luckily, we have an easy solution for this. Don't sniff the damn speakers... :D
     
  20. JBryan

    JBryan Forum Resident

    Location:
    St Louis
    ON: Tube preamp > sources > tube xover > tube amps. The digital amps are always ON which causes a slight 'thump' on the woofers when the xover is shut down. I used to shut them down after the tube amps and before the xover and preamp without any noise but warm up takes hours (slow, woolly bass :shake:) so its better just to leave them on.

    OFF: Sources > tube amps > tube xover > tube preamp
     
  21. robertawillisjr

    robertawillisjr Music Lover

    Location:
    Hampton, VA
    On last, off first. You can quibble about what comes between particularly if you are dealing with tubes.
     
  22. TLMusic

    TLMusic Musician & record collector

    ^I agree with these responses.



    My Audio Research SP6 preamp owner's manual states very strongly that the preamp be must turned on and warmed up before turning on the amp is allowed. And, to turn off the power amp first, then the preamp.
     
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  23. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kind of fellow. Stax Sigma

    Indeed, there was a timed turn-on mute included in versions of the SP6 that made sure that the turn on sequence was safer. Does your SP-6 have the switchable moving coil gain switch on the back?
     
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