First of all, many thanks to you for compiling this list and to all who have participated in the thread! Awesome work! I notice it hasn't been updated in awhile. Any plans to update the list, Downsampled?
Update Al DiMeola - Electric Rendezvous - 35DP 30 Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Asia - 35DP 25 Barbra Streisand - Guilty - 35DP 7 Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits Volume 2 - 35DP 161 Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were - CK 32801/DIDP-20056 Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label], (1989 European; Linn/Virgin LXHCD2) Big Audio Dynamite - This Is Big Audio Dynamite CDCBS 26714 Billy Joel - 52nd St. - 35DP 1 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - The Stranger - 35DP 2 Billy Joel - Glass Houses - 35DP 18 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Songs In The Attic - 35DP 19 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain - 35DP 34 Billy Joel - Piano Man - CDCBS 80719 Japan for Europe with 35DP 109 in the matrix Black Sabbath (All) CLACD and NELCDs have it Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (Creative Sounds) Boz Scaggs - Middle Man - 35DP 3 Boz Scaggs - Hits! - 35DP 11 Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees - 35DP 20 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Kim Carnes - Mistaken Identity CP35-3018 Coil - Horse Rotorvator (ROTA CD1) The Cramps - A Date With Elvis Deep Purple - Machine Head EMI UK CDP 7 46242 2 Dire Straits - Alchemy - 818 244-2 and 818 245-2 Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery - 35DP 24 / Austria, epic 450083 2/ JET-500 11 Electric Light Orchestra - Secret Messages - 35DP 72 Genesis - Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Genesis - "Land of Confusion" single - Virgin SNEG 3 12 Go-Go's - Talk Show - 35DP 146 The Jacksons - Triumph - CDEPC 86112 (CSR Japan-for-Europe) Jeff Beck - There And Back - 35·8P-5 Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery - CDP 32 1082-2 Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast - CCD 1380 Jethro Tull - This Was - CDP 32 1041 2 Jethro Tull - Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Journey - Escape - 35DP 6 Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Mark Knopfler - Cal - Vertigo 822 769-2 Men At Work - Business As Usual - 35·8P-15 Men At Work - Cargo - CK 38660 (U.S) and 35 8P-16 (both have PE) Jacksons - Destiny - EK35552 Jacksons - Triumph EK36424 ("Now Made In The USA") Michael Jackson - Off the Wall - Epic/Sony Records ESCA 5407 made in Japan Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982 Epic/CBS CDEPC 85930 (DI8P-11); matrix: 35 8P-11 111A2 +++++ Miles Davis - Agharta - 50DP 237~8 Miles Davis - Pangaea - 50DP 239~40 Miles Davis - the later 50DP 7xx series Miles Davis do not have PE Miles Davis - The Man With The Horn - 35DP 16 Miles Davis - Star People - 35DP 55 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - Someday My Prince WIll Come - 35DP 64 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Four and More - 35DP 66 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE Miles Davis - Decoy - 35DP 170 does not have PE Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 The Mystic Moods / Renée Hamaty: Stormy Memories - Bainbridge BCD-6284 New Order – Low Life Facd100 - Nimbus UK Nick Lowe - Pinker And Prouder Than Previous (1988 Demon Records, UK; FIEND CD 99) Norma Procter (contralto)/LSO/Jascha Horenstein -Mahler: Symphony 3 - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Tug of War - has pre-emphasis - My US-issued, Japan-made Columbia Tug of War CD does not have PE. But the Japanese black-triangle disc definitely does. Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CDP 4 46057 2 (Black Face made in Japan) Pet Shop Boys - Please - US CDP-546271 and CDP 7 46271 2 Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - 35DP 4 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - CP35-3017 Pink Floyd - The Wall - 50DP 361~2 / CK2 and related masterings Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - 35DP 53 Police - Synchronicity - 38XB-2 (10 track) The 11-track 38XB-2 does not have PE Quarterflash - S/T - Japanese target pressing. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity - 35·8P-4 Silvio Rodríguez - Al Final de Este Viaje Santana - Shango - 35DP 23 Santana - Abraxas - 35DP 58 Santana - Beyond Appearances - CK39527 She's Having a Baby - OST Simon And Garfunkel - The Simon And Garfunkel Collection - 35DP 13 and CDCBS 24005 The Smiths - Hatful Of Hollow - 32JC-129 (Japan CSR) T Bone Burnett - T Bone Burnett (1986 Dot/MCA Records MCAD-5809) Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Southern Accents - MCAD-5486 (JVC Japan-for-USA) Toto - Turn Back - 35DP 5 Toto - IV - 35DP 12 Toto - Hydra - 35DP 42 Toto - Isolation Japan for Europe - CDCBS 86305 Roger Waters - Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking - 35DP 149 Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) / US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290) Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux - Polydor 831 503-2 Velvet Underground - VU Weather Report - 8:30 - 50DP 133~4
I'll have to check, but I thought Journey "Frontiers" 35DP-45 had it. Anyone have one handy to check?
Update Al DiMeola - Electric Rendezvous - 35DP 30 Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Asia - 35DP 25 Barbra Streisand - Guilty - 35DP 7 Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits Volume 2 - 35DP 161 Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were - CK 32801/DIDP-20056 Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label], (1989 European; Linn/Virgin LXHCD2) Big Audio Dynamite - This Is Big Audio Dynamite CDCBS 26714 Billy Joel - 52nd St. - 35DP 1 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - The Stranger - 35DP 2 Billy Joel - Glass Houses - 35DP 18 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Songs In The Attic - 35DP 19 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain - 35DP 34 Billy Joel - Piano Man - CDCBS 80719 Japan for Europe with 35DP 109 in the matrix Billy Joel - Piano Man - CK 32544 Columbia USA "The Nice Price" Black Sabbath (All) CLACD and NELCDs have it Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (Creative Sounds) Boz Scaggs - Middle Man - 35DP 3 Boz Scaggs - Hits! - 35DP 11 Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees - 35DP 20 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Kim Carnes - Mistaken Identity CP35-3018 Coil - Horse Rotorvator (ROTA CD1) The Cramps - A Date With Elvis Deep Purple - Machine Head EMI UK CDP 7 46242 2 Dire Straits - Alchemy - 818 244-2 and 818 245-2 Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery - 35DP 24 / Austria, epic 450083 2/ JET-500 11 Electric Light Orchestra - Secret Messages - 35DP 72 Genesis - Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Genesis - "Land of Confusion" single - Virgin SNEG 3 12 Go-Go's - Talk Show - 35DP 146 The Jacksons - Triumph - CDEPC 86112 (CSR Japan-for-Europe) Jeff Beck - There And Back - 35·8P-5 Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery - CDP 32 1082-2 Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast - CCD 1380 Jethro Tull - This Was - CDP 32 1041 2 Jethro Tull - Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Journey - Escape - 35DP 6 Journey - Frontiers - US CBS CK38504 DIDP50045 Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Mark Knopfler - Cal - Vertigo 822 769-2 Men At Work - Business As Usual - 35·8P-15 Men At Work - Cargo - CK 38660 (U.S) and 35 8P-16 (both have PE) Jacksons - Destiny - EK35552 Jacksons - Triumph EK36424 ("Now Made In The USA") Michael Jackson - Off the Wall - Epic/Sony Records ESCA 5407 made in Japan Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982 Epic/CBS CDEPC 85930 (DI8P-11); matrix: 35 8P-11 111A2 +++++ Miles Davis - Agharta - 50DP 237~8 Miles Davis - Pangaea - 50DP 239~40 Miles Davis - the later 50DP 7xx series Miles Davis do not have PE Miles Davis - The Man With The Horn - 35DP 16 Miles Davis - Star People - 35DP 55 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - Someday My Prince WIll Come - 35DP 64 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Four and More - 35DP 66 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE Miles Davis - Decoy - 35DP 170 does not have PE Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 The Mystic Moods / Renée Hamaty: Stormy Memories - Bainbridge BCD-6284 New Order – Low Life Facd100 - Nimbus UK Nick Lowe - Pinker And Prouder Than Previous (1988 Demon Records, UK; FIEND CD 99) Norma Procter (contralto)/LSO/Jascha Horenstein -Mahler: Symphony 3 - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Tug of War - has pre-emphasis - My US-issued, Japan-made Columbia Tug of War CD does not have PE. But the Japanese black-triangle disc definitely does. Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CDP 4 46057 2 (Black Face made in Japan) Pet Shop Boys - Please - US CDP-546271 and CDP 7 46271 2 Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - 35DP 4 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - CP35-3017 Pink Floyd - The Wall - 50DP 361~2 / CK2 and related masterings Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - 35DP 53 Police - Synchronicity - 38XB-2 (10 track) The 11-track 38XB-2 does not have PE Quarterflash - S/T - Japanese target pressing. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity - 35·8P-4 Silvio Rodríguez - Al Final de Este Viaje Saga - Heads Or Tales - Bon Aire 258 477 Santana - Shango - 35DP 23 Santana - Abraxas - 35DP 58 Santana - Beyond Appearances - CK39527 She's Having a Baby - OST Simon And Garfunkel - The Simon And Garfunkel Collection - 35DP 13 and CDCBS 24005 The Smiths - Hatful Of Hollow - 32JC-129 (Japan CSR) T Bone Burnett - T Bone Burnett (1986 Dot/MCA Records MCAD-5809) Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Southern Accents - MCAD-5486 (JVC Japan-for-USA) Toto - Turn Back - 35DP 5 Toto - IV - 35DP 12 Toto - Hydra - 35DP 42 Toto - Isolation Japan for Europe - CDCBS 86305 Roger Waters - Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking - 35DP 149 Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) / US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290) Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux - Polydor 831 503-2 Velvet Underground - VU Weather Report - 8:30 - 50DP 133~4
I just messaged the member who originally posted that title: Can you verify which CD you are referring to please?
I wonder if the early Portrait (RK 38999) had pre-emph applied but not flagged – it's so damn trebly.
From what I recall, the early WG silver center VU pressing didn't have PE, but that at some point the flag was added and remained. But, without any change to the audio, so one is incorrect. My opinion, after comparing the CDs to the vinyl, is that the PE flag is an error.
Here is something unique (at least I don't see any others on this list), a CD where some tracks have pre-emphasis... Masters of Classical Music, Vol. 2: Johan Sebastian Bach - Laserlight 15 802 Tracks 5,6,10,14 have pre-emphasis per the TOC (confirmed with Detect TOC Manually). The rest do not.
Classical music compilations are going to have that happen. Labels like Laserlight don't remaster the reissued recordings. If they do a compilation release and some of the pieces had preemphasis and some did not then the Laserlight release is going to have a mix of pre-emphasis tracks and regular tracks. I have one classical album that's not a compilation that includes a mix of pre-emphasis and regular tracks: Petrouchka with Gerard Schwarz and the Seattle Symphony on Delos D/CD 3054 released in 1988 The first two tracks have no pre-emphasis The rest of the tracks have pre-emphasis
Here is a new one... The Digital Domain: A Demonstration - Elektra 9 60303-2 All tracks except 18-21, 23, 25-29 (which are test tones) Tracks 22 and 24 are pink noise "with emphasis" Tracks 21 and 23 are the same without emphasis. Good for testing.
Howard Jones - Human's Lib Elektra 9 60346-2 WEA 2 40335-2 Indicated in TOC Matrix: MANUFACTURED BY SANYO JAPAN 60346-2 511241
Crap Steve add another one Electric Light Orchestra-Secret Messages ZK38490 US the "Now Made In The USA" dbpoweramp flagged it
Another was just flagged Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark- Architecture & Morality, CDID12, part of the UK Virgin box of three OMD titles
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 32VD-1010, 2nd Japanese “Black Triangle” pressing, Matrix:32VD-1010 11+++++ (Sony) Peak levels: 93,0% / 100% BTW Very easily detectable in any EAC version. Flagged in both TOC and subcode and shows the tag immediately.
Got a copy of Journey Escape that is a different pressing but does have pre-emphasis Journey - Escape - CBS CK37408, matrix DIDP 050006 Packaging says "Record Manufactured in Japan by CBS" but disc is Made in U.S.A. Pre-emphasis is indicated in TOC
Okay, I hate to post this in this thread, I am not trying to perpetrate FUD but.... I have just started out checking all my cds for pre-emphasis and hit a snag. I have a "The Dark Side Of The Moon" CD, CP35-3017 20A2 / CDP7 46001 2 / BIEM/JASRAC that does not indicate pre-emphasis in EAC, K3b, or cdparanoia. I am the original owner of this CD and do not doubt that it is authentic. Now what? Every site I checked sez this is pre-emphasized but I can't prove it.
Have you tried adding emphasis to the ripped files and seeing if it improves the sound? Or simply listening to the ripped files, comparing the sound to the CD? If your CD does not have pre-emphasis, the two should sound the same.
