Almost all CD releases of Classical/Contemporary music by "BIS Records", a record label from Sweden. They've released lots of Scandinavian/Northern contemporary music, and they're also famous for their excellent Schnittke Edition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIS_Records I've got about 10 CD's in my collection, all of which have pre-emphasis.
I am firmly of the opinion that the labels do absolutely nothing to the original master for all these "Original Classics" 5 CD sets. I have found that for some this is a good thing (original mastering). However, things such this case of pre-emphasis are not so good. Maybe if they decided to "fix" the pre-empahsis they wouldn't stop there: apply no-noise, crank up the levels, adjust the EQ ... ...
Thank you. I have ripped the CD and didn't catch the pre-emphasis. Will rip it again and apply de-emphasis.
Actually, none of the Creative Sounds CDs that I've come across have the same mastering as any '86 Castle CD. (And I have the 60xx and 60xx-2 discs for all of the releases that CS did.) All different. But yes, in a few cases, they sound really similar. I personally think that's just because they weren't messed with much from the original masters, by Creative Sounds or Castle. Now for the very first one, I agree that it sounds better de-emphasized, but if you look at the spectrum as-is, and then de-emphasized, and also compare with a few of the early lps, it is just a bright recording. Not mistakenly missing the PE flag.
Ok, you may very well be right. But especially the self titled CS (I have the 6006-2) doesn't only sound bright but very much "unnaturally" so. It's quite clearly processed. I only have Vol. 4 of the Castles and it sounds equally "processed" bright without de-emph. For me it's a bit moot anyway, since I think they did a good job with the hi-res remasters.
I thought I'd contribute and update the list. Not sure about what the conclusion was on Zoolook, I've just listed the original 02 submission: UPDATE Al DiMeola - Electric Rendezvous - 35DP 30 A. Nicolet, H.Holliger, C. Jaccottet, et.al.- J.S. Bach / C.P.E. Bach: Trio Sonatas (COCO-70789) [1984; 2005 reissue] Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Asia - S/T - 35DP 25 Barbra Streisand - Guilty - 35DP 7 Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits Volume 2 - 35DP 161 & CDCBS 86079, matrix DIDP 10025 41A2 Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were - CK 32801/DIDP-20056 Barenboim - Schubert Symphonies 2 & 8 - CBS Masterworks MK 39676 DIDC 20191 Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) Berlin Radio Symphony Orchestra/Heinz Rögner , "Schubert Symphony No. 9", 38C37-7035, A-25 | 7035 matrix The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label], (1989 European; Linn/Virgin LXHCD2) Big Audio Dynamite - This Is Big Audio Dynamite CDCBS 26714 Billy Joel – note some releases with the same matrix can differ as far as whether PE is present or not Billy Joel - 52nd St. - 35DP 1 - Japan for Japan / Japan for US Billy Joel - The Stranger - 35DP 2 (crude font matrix) Billy Joel - Glass Houses - 35DP 18 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Songs In The Attic - 35DP 19 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain - 35DP 34 (crude font matrix) Billy Joel - Piano Man - CDCBS 80719 Japan for Europe with 35DP 109 in the matrix Billy Joel - Piano Man - CK 32544 Columbia USA "The Nice Price" Black Sabbath (All) CLACD and NELCDs have it Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (Creative Sounds) Bob Dylan - Real Live - Columbia CK 39944 - Made in Japan - matrix 32DP-196 11 +++++ CSRx3 Bob Dylan - Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits - CBS - CK 9463 / DIDP 50099 - Matrix: 35DP-99 41A1 Boston - Don't Look Back - Epic/Sony 35.8P-7 - Matrix: 35 8P-7-6 1A1 “Gold-Face” pressing / (not Epic EK 35050) Boz Scaggs - Middle Man - 35DP 3 Boz Scaggs - Hits! - 35DP 11 Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees - 35DP 20 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - Japan for USA - Columbia CK35318, DIDP 20027, matrix DIDP-20027 21A3 +++++, CSR x3 hub Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Chess - RCA PCD2-5340 - RCA/Victor Made in Japan Coil - Horse Rotorvator (ROTA CD1) The Cramps - A Date With Elvis Dan Fogelberg - Souvenirs - Full Moon/Epic EK 33137 - Made in Japan - matrix DIDP-20045 21A1 +++++ Deep Purple - Machine Head EMI UK CDP 7 46242 2 The Digital Domain: A Demonstration - Elektra 9 60303-2 - some tracks Dire Straits - Alchemy - 818 244-2 and 818 245-2 Earth, Wind & Fire - Powerlight - CBS/Sony 35DP 44 Earth, Wind & Fire - Raise! - 35DP 15 Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery - 35DP 24 / Austria, epic 450083 2/ JET-500 11 / Jet ZK 35769 Japan Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery- Austria "Two Originals" Fatboy box - JET200 in the matrix Electric Light Orchestra - Secret Messages - 35DP 72 / ZK38490 A Flock Of Seagulls - S/T - Jive/RCA US 1007-2-J Genesis - Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Genesis - "Land of Confusion" single - Virgin SNEG 3 12 Gigi D'Agostino - L'Amour Toujours II - ZYX 20714-2 Go-Go's - Talk Show - 35DP 146 Huguette Dreyfus - Bach: Works For Harpsicord (38C37-7233) [1984] The Human League - Dare - Virgin CDV 2192 - UK The Jacksons - Destiny - EK35552 The Jacksons - Triumph - CDEPC 86112 (CSR Japan-for-Europe) / EK36424 ("Now Made In The USA") Japan – Tin Drum - 32VD-1016 & VJCP-23056 (1991 Japanese reissue) John McLaughlin, Al Di Meola, Paco De Lucia - Friday Night In San Francisco - 35DP-9 / matrix: 35DP-9-2 1A2 “Gold-Face” pressing Howard Jones - Human's Lib - Elektra 9 60346-2/WEA 2 40335-2 - Japan for US Jean-Michel Jarre – Zoolook - Polydor 823 763-2 Jeff Beck - There And Back - 35·8P-5 Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery - CDP 32 1082-2 Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast - CCD 1380 Jethro Tull - This Was - CDP 32 1041 2 / Chrysalis CCD-1041 - Matrix "CCD-1041 MASTERED BY NIMBUS" Jethro Tull - Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Journey - Escape - 35DP 6 / CBS CK37408, matrix DIDP 050006 Journey - Frontiers - CBS CK38504 DIDP50045 Kenny Loggins - High Adventure - CBS CK 38127 - Made in Japan - Matrix 35DP-40 21B3 MANUFACTURED BY CBS/SONY RECORDS Kim Carnes - Mistaken Identity - CP35-3018 & CP21-6067 Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Lionel Richie - S/T - Mowtown MCD06007MD - Made in Japan Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Maazel - Wagner - Overtures mk 38699 Mannheim Steamroller - Fresh Aire - American Gramophone AGCD-355 - Made in Japan Mannheim Steamroller - Fresh Aire II - American Gramaphone AGCD-359 - Made in Japan Mannheim Steamroller - Fresh Aire III - American Gramaphone AGCD-365 - Made in Japan Marsalis - Marsalis CK 37574 & CDCBS 85404 J for E 35P-33 151A3 +++++ Marsalis - Think of One 35DP-75 & Japan for US - CBS CK 38641 Mark Knopfler - Cal - Vertigo 822 769-2 Masters of Classical Music, Vol. 2: Johann Sebastian Bach (Laserlight 15 802) tracks 5,6,10,14 Men At Work - Business As Usual - 35·8P-15 Men At Work - Cargo - CK 38660 (U.S), 35 8P-16 & CBS 461023 2 Austria (all have PE) Michael Jackson - Off the Wall - Epic/Sony Records ESCA 5407 & 32.8P-233 made in Japan Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982 Epic/CBS CDEPC 85930 (DI8P-11); matrix: 35 8P-11 111A2 +++++ Miles Davis - Agharta - 50DP 237~8 Miles Davis - Pangaea - 50DP 239~40 Miles Davis - the later 50DP 7xx series Miles Davis do not have PE Miles Davis - The Man With The Horn - 35DP 16 Miles Davis - Star People - 35DP 55 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - Someday My Prince WIll Come - 35DP 64 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Four and More - 35DP 66 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE Miles Davis - Decoy - 35DP 170 does not have PE Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells 32VD-1010, Japanese “Black Triangle” Matrix:32VD-1010 11+++++ (Sony) Murray Perahia - Mozart - Piano Concertos 17 & 18 - CBS made in Japan by CSR MK 36686 DIDC 50051 Murray Perahia - Mozart - Piano Concertos 15 & 16 - CBS digital made in USA on inner ring MK 37824 DIDC 20025 Murray Perahia - Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 26, K.537, 'Coronation' - CBS digital MK 39224 DIDC 20031 The Mystic Moods / Renée Hamaty: Stormy Memories - Bainbridge BCD-6284 Nena - 99 Luftballoons - Epic EK39294 - Manufactured in Japan. Matrix 35 8P-42 11A1 New Order - Low Life -FACD 100 - Nimbus UK / Japan for UK New Order - Power, Corruption and Lies - CY-3109 / ICY-1219 - made in Japan by Nippon Columbia New York Philharmonic - Beethoven - Symphony No. 3 - Zubin Mehta -CBS Masterworks MK 35883 UPC: 07464358832 - DIDC 50002 51A1 Neil Diamond - 12 Greatest Hits, Volume II - CK 38068 Nick Lowe - Pinker And Prouder Than Previous (1988 Demon Records, UK; FIEND CD 99) Norma Procter (contralto)/LSO/Jascha Horenstein -Mahler: Symphony 3 - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark- Architecture & Morality, CDID12 (as well as part of the UK Virgin box of three OMD titles) Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet - CDP 7 46018 2 / Columbia CK39613 (Made in Japan, 18 tracks) Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CP35-3001 Japanese black triangle (not black face or Japan->US) Pet Shop Boys - Please - US CDP-546271 and CDP 7 46271 2 / CP32-5131 Philip Bailey - Chinese Wall - Columbia CK39542 USA Philip Glass - Dancepieces - CBS Masterworks MK 39539 - US DADC pressing Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - 35DP 4 - 2 tracks Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - CP35-3017 Pink Floyd - The Wall - 50DP 361~2 / CK2 and related masterings Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - 35DP 53 Police - Synchronicity - 38XB-2 (10 track) The 11-track 38XB-2 does not have PE Quarterflash - S/T - Japanese target pressing. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity - 35·8P-4 Roger Waters - Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking - 35DP 149 Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) / US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290) The Romantics - In Heat - Nemperor ZK 38880 (35DP matrix) / also US DADC Silvio Rodríguez - Al Final de Este Viaje Saga - Heads or Tales - Bon Aire 258 477 / Polydor 815 410-2 Saga - Heads or Tales - Portrait RK 38999 - Japan - tracks 5-9 only Santana - Shango - 35DP 23 Santana - Shango from the 2009 Original Album Classics Set Carlos Santana - Havana Moon - CBS/Sony 35DP 56 Santana - Abraxas - 35DP 58 Santana - Beyond Appearances - CK39527 She's Having a Baby - OST Simon & Garfunkel - The Simon And Garfunkel Collection - 35DP 13 and CDCBS 24005 Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water - CBS/Sony 35DP-14, Matrix: 35DP-14 1 1B4 “Gold-Face” pressing Smetana Quartet - W.A. Mozart: 2 String Quartets, KV 458 "Hunt" & KV 421 (COCO-70792) [1982; 2005 reissue] The Smiths - Hatful Of Hollow - 32JC-129 (Japan CSR) Survivor - Eye of the Tiger - Japan Canyon D32Y0039 Survivor - Eye of the Tiger - Scotti Brothers ZK 38062 - Made in USA - early with no check digit on barcode Survivor - Vital Signs - Japan Canyon D32Y0014 T Bone Burnett - T Bone Burnett (1986 Dot/MCA Records MCAD-5809) Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Southern Accents - MCAD-5486 (JVC Japan-for-USA) Toto - Turn Back - 35DP 5 (including “collection box” set) Toto - IV - 35DP 12 (including “collection box” set) Toto - Hydra - 35DP 42 Toto - Isolation - Japan for Europe - CDCBS 86305 Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux - Polydor 831 503-2 Various Artists - More Adventures in Modern Sound - WEA 240 568-2 (just track 6, What is Love by Howard Jones) Velvet Underground - VU Weather Report - 8:30 - 50DP 133~4 Willie Nelson - Always on My Mind - CBS CK 37951 - Early DADC pressing Yellowman - Rambo - Moving Target MT 003 D - Made in Switzerland
Does anybody here know if the 90's repressings of Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells use pre emphasis as well? What I'm looking at here has the 1983 release date on the back cover and has red lettering on the cd. It shares the CDV 2001 cat. number. I think this pressing is from 1992 and it uses the same mastering as the original 1983 European release, but did they remove the pre emphasis from the disc before reissuing it?
Are you positive? Here's a link to a cd with that catalog number on Discogs and it notes that it uses pre emphasis. The 90's disc is a clone of this I believe (it's a Dutch pressing too if that helps.) http://www.discogs.com/Mike-Oldfield-Tubular-Bells/release/1072893
Thanks for the update! Would like to add: Dire Straits - Alchemy – 9 25085-2 (Warner Bros. Records / Made In USA)
Which version of EAC? The latest versions will not detect pre-emphasis that is not flagged in the TOC. You have to use the correct older version and manually detect TOC. I have a US pressing of Virgin 90589-2 (a club version, no less) that does have pre-emphasis.
I can offer updated/supplemental info on all the above. HAS PE: Billy Joel - Piano Man - CK 32544 Columbia, NOT Designated as "Nice Price" AND with DIDP-050109 (but it might sound better without de-emphasis?!) Genesis - Genesis(S/T) - ALL? - even the bog-standard American WEA record club version has PE Howard Jones - Human's Lib - WEA / Elektra 2 40335-2 / 9 60346-2 - "Made In West Germany By Polygram", also has PE Men At Work - Cargo - CBS 461023 2, with CDCBS- 25372 and 12 1A in the matrix, Austrian-made (part of 2-CD set in which Business As Usual does NOT have PE) NO PE: Toto - IV - CBS, CK 37728, non 35DP, (later 80's version?)
I wouldn't say "ALL" on the Genesis/Genesis. I have a Japan->US Atlantic 7 80116-2 (814287-2) that does not have pre-emphasis.
I have a different Creative Sounds edition for the debut than forum member rjstauber, but do not feel the need to use deemphasis for it as he does. Even when I listen to it with deemphasis, I end up adding treble that I wouldn't when listening to the disc normally. As Kevin5Brown has stated, the debut has an extremely bright mix with harsh cymbals on many pressings. I have the Andy Pearce Deluxe that demonstrates this as well. Deemphasising doesn't properly address this problem because you are reducing frequencies across the spectrum rather than focusing on the cymbals being too bright. One would probably be better off buying a different CD or trying a vinyl pressing rather than messing with the entire frequency spectrum through the deemphasis process. I also find that my Creative Sounds editions of Paranoid and Children of the Grave (Vol 4) sound great as released without deemphasis. For Master of Reality I recommend the Pearce Deluxe edition. For Sabotage, my Creative Sounds CD sounds horrible regardless of use of deemphasis. The WB CD sounds good, but I plan to try the original Castle CD eventually.
Your right about the S/T being very bright, so maybe that's why I felt the need to use de-emph. But I had the same feeling with Paranoid, wcich is a darker sounding album. It's a moot point for me anyway, since I have and like the HDtracks releases of the the 70's Ozzy-era albums. They are my to go versions now.
Has pre-emphasis: Art Pepper - Darn That Dream - Realtime RT 3009 306134 Manufactured by Sanyo Japan Kubelik / Bruckner - Bruckner Symphony 4 - CBS/Sony FDCA-325 81 +++++ CSR on inner hub)
Does anyone have this CD? http://www.discogs.com/Falco-Falco-3/release/3223398 Does it have pre-emph?
I'm willing to bet a beer it does not, as far as I know 84 might have been the cut-off year from pre emph use and I know of no Falco 3 with pre, I have it's German East/West re-issue and it does not, it is a bright recording, reminds me of Howard Jones Dream into Action @Steve Martin would probably know more
Yeah, I applied some "de-emphasis" to the wav files from that CD and, although I think it sounds "mellower", it is actually dark and the drums sound kinda lifeless.
